Louisville/NC State travel on 3pt play (Video)

[Nevadaref]

I'm surprised that no one else has mentioned this yet.
With 3:05 remaining in the Louisville/NC State game there is a discussion worthy play.

The dribbler picks up his dribble just inside the 3pt line with his left foot on the floor. He jumps off that foot and lands on his right foot inside the FT lane. At this time there appears to be arm to arm contact with the defender. Perhaps this is a foul, perhaps not. His left foot then returns to the floor and there is significant contact with the defender. The new Lead in transition begins to call a foul as the offensive player elevates and scores. He counts the baskets and awards one FT.

I have either a travel before the foul or the beginning of the act of shooting, a foul followed by a travel, which cancels the goal, and two FTs. In the game, this offensive player gained a huge illegal advantage by his footwork.

[APG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLzT3Ouvr2s

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm surprised that no one else has mentioned this yet.
With 3:05 remaining in the Louisville/NC State game there is a discussion worthy play.

The dribbler picks up his dribble just inside the 3pt line with his left foot on the floor. He jumps off that foot and lands on his right foot inside the FT lane. At this time there appears to be arm to arm contact with the defender. Perhaps this is a foul, perhaps not. His left foot then returns to the floor and there is significant contact with the defender. The new Lead in transition begins to call a foul as the offensive player elevates and scores. He counts the baskets and awards one FT.

I have either a travel before the foul or the beginning of the act of shooting, a foul followed by a travel, which cancels the goal, and two FTs. In the game, this offensive player gained a huge illegal advantage by his footwork.

Since this move is rarely called a travel in absence of contact why would you expect it to called a travel when contact is added?

[Rich]

Eh, I'm fine with putting the gather in the air on this one.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

Eh, I'm fine with putting the gather in the air on this one.

you are being extremely generous.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

you are being extremely generous.

It's judgment, though. What's a gather to one isn't quite a gather to another. Benefit of the doubt goes to the player with the ball, IMO.

I like the game being called like this. Always have. Not bothered that reality doesn't meet the letter of the written rule, either.

I'm sure I had an offensive player in the lane for more than 3 seconds more than 4 times this season, but I'm not bothered that I "missed" those violations, either.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Rich

Eh, I'm fine with putting the gather in the air on this one.

I would have the gather in the air as well

[JRutledge]

Most plays like this I have a gather in the air.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's judgment, though. What's a gather to one isn't quite a gather to another. Benefit of the doubt goes to the player with the ball, IMO.

I like the game being called like this. Always have. Not bothered that reality doesn't meet the letter of the written rule, either.

I'm sure I had an offensive player in the lane for more than 3 seconds more than 4 times this season, but I'm not bothered that I "missed" those violations, either.

Originally Posted by APG

I would have the gather in the air as well

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Most plays like this I have a gather in the air.

Peace

While I too might very well have it in the air in real time, that doesn't change the fact that the video shows that he really had it held in two hands before he jumped. We can dance around it all day but the video doesn't lie.

[bballref3966]

Give him continuous motion.

[maroonx]

I don't see a gather on that move no matter how many times I see it. Clearly offensive player got an advantage on an illegal move to the basket.