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deecee Mon Mar 23, 2015 07:50am

West Virginia vs Maryland (Video 2/2)
 
Illegal screen around the 15:00 mark in the second half. Completely missed by all 3 and it was brutal IMO. By brutal I mean the contact, not in a dirty way.

VaTerp Mon Mar 23, 2015 08:59am

I was going to request this vid as well.

Admittedly, I was in full fanboy mode during this game but I thought it was a pretty egregious miss by the crew.

Raymond Mon Mar 23, 2015 09:43am

If it was the one I saw in the FB official's forum, I agree, that is just something that can't be missed.

ILRef80 Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:09am

Completely inexcusable miss. Eades was right there with a clear view of it and was either ball-watching or just decided not to call it (which would be an even bigger indictment).

deecee Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:05am

I thought this sparked like a 4-5 minute span where I couldn't figure out some of the rationale behind what was called and not called.

CNYREF Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:56am

You can see the C was behind a player and couldn't see anything cuz if you look close he's trying to get around a player to see. Eades probably stayed with ball to the hoop which is why I bet he missed it. C needs better position....but obviously this can't be missed..

luvhoops Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:15pm

And then when all 3 miss such an obvious call, why didn't they review it for possible flagrant/elbow?

They must have heard the player hit the floor and wonder what might have caused it. The coach/players were pointing it out too. With all that, why not meet and review?

Coach Bill Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by luvhoops (Post 958902)
And then when all 3 miss such an obvious call, why didn't they review it for possible flagrant/elbow?

They must have heard the player hit the floor and wonder what might have caused it. The coach/players were pointing it out too. With all that, why not meet and review?

They went to the monitor during the next timeout, and ruled it wasn't flagrant.

Raymond Mon Mar 23, 2015 01:03pm

Now, this is the type of miss that should cause crew members not to advance.

Mechanicsman Mon Mar 23, 2015 01:09pm

Video Request
 
Can I request the pass and crash at 1:14 in the second. The crew called block.

Multiple Sports Mon Mar 23, 2015 02:57pm

That isn't even in a foul in the Baltimore / Washington playgrounds during the summer. C'mon DEECEE, you know you can't call that at Berry Farms......BNR are you getting soft in the 757 ???? Guess I'll find out next month...

Raymond Mon Mar 23, 2015 03:33pm

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 958923)
That isn't even in a foul in the Baltimore / Washington playgrounds during the summer. C'mon DEECEE, you know you can't call that at Berry Farms......BNR are you getting soft in the 757 ???? Guess I'll find out next month...

Shall we discuss the illegal screen that was called in the Mavs/Grizzlies game that should not have been called, followed by an ejection?

AremRed Mon Mar 23, 2015 09:42pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 958929)
Shall we discuss the illegal screen that was called in the Mavs/Grizzlies game that should not have been called, followed by an ejection?

Yes, lets. Here is the play: Stoudemire Tossed | NBA.com

AremRed Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:02pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 958911)
Now, this is the type of miss that should cause crew members not to advance.

What basis do you have to think John Adams would pull an NCAA tournament game over that call? :D

Raymond Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:20pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 958973)
What basis do you have to think John Adams would pull an NCAA tournament game over that call? :D

Pulling a game is a lot different than not advancing to a game no one has been assigned to yet. ;)

APG Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:43pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 958871)
Illegal screen around the 15:00 mark in the second half. Completely missed by all 3 and it was brutal IMO. By brutal I mean the contact, not in a dirty way.

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Originally Posted by Mechanicsman (Post 958913)
Can I request the pass and crash at 1:14 in the second. The crew called block.

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AremRed Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:51pm

Play 1: Illegal screen

Play 2: Team control

MechanicGuy Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:56pm

Awful miss.

Raymond Tue Mar 24, 2015 05:09am

Trail should have picked up that illegal screen, ball had left his primary.

ballgame99 Tue Mar 24, 2015 07:59am

1) At what point does it become two guys just running into one another?

I ask because I had a play this year where the two wing guards were looping through the lane to switch sides and one of the offensive players and the opposite defender just didn't see each other and slammed into one another. I had no call since neither player was more responsible for the contact than the other. Is that wrong?

2) that pass and crash looks like an easy PC

deecee Tue Mar 24, 2015 08:20am

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 958993)
1) At what point does it become two guys just running into one another?

I ask because I had a play this year where the two wing guards were looping through the lane to switch sides and one of the offensive players and the opposite defender just didn't see each other and slammed into one another. I had no call since neither player was more responsible for the contact than the other. Is that wrong?

2) that pass and crash looks like an easy PC

A tie goes in the offense's favor as far as I'm concerned. In the rare case its a loose ball and 2 players are going for the ball I would tend to pass. Either way it's not cut and dry, but in collisions I have always been taught to have a whistle.

Mechanicsman Tue Mar 24, 2015 09:59am

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 958993)
1) At what point does it become two guys just running into one another?

I ask because I had a play this year where the two wing guards were looping through the lane to switch sides and one of the offensive players and the opposite defender just didn't see each other and slammed into one another. I had no call since neither player was more responsible for the contact than the other. Is that wrong?

2) that pass and crash looks like an easy PC

You can tell the intent of the offensive player was to screen here. He's focused in on that player and in someone of a screening position. When two guys just run into each other they are usually looking the other way. Not to mention he completely took the defender out of the play. It's just judgement.

Rob1968 Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:25am

Watching that game, I was certain those 2 plays would show up here.

That illegal screen/miss was a game changer. Did Trimble even come back into the game after that?

On the second video, WOW! The Maryland player was there so early. I can't see how that was missed.

JugglingReferee Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:46am

Slot missed the illegal screen.

And nowhere near a block. A no-call would have been less inaccurate.

Raymond Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:58am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 959020)
Slot missed the illegal screen.

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I say that screen is on the Trail. A1 had turned the corner and the Trail was still looking at him. The C should have had A1 at this point, and the Trail should have switched to off-ball coverage.

Jay R Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:58am

I actually see #44 White pushing the dribbler (from behind) into the defender on the second play. I might not have seen that in real time.

Adam Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:13am

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Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 959014)
Watching that game, I was certain those 2 plays would show up here.

That illegal screen/miss was a game changer. Did Trimble even come back into the game after that?

Would that have changed if they made the call?

JugglingReferee Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:20am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 959023)
I say that screen is on the Trail. A1 had turned the corner and the Trail was still looking at him. The C should have had A1 at this point, and the Trail should have switched to off-ball coverage.

This foul is rather egregious in my opinion, so any of the three should grab it.

When the ball is up top, the T has it, agreed? If so, then the C needs to look at next point of attack - either a drive or a pass. The player in front of him is not contested, so he gets about 10% of the C's attention. Next he looks to the key, and sees action by A. I think reading the play is very important here. This foul can be picked up by the T, but the C should have it as well, imho. If the C has it, and the T has it as well, I think the T should defer to the C. If the C didn't get it, then the T goes with it.

Raymond Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:21am

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Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 959014)
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That illegal screen/miss was a game changer. Did Trimble even come back into the game after that?

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Yes, then got kicked in the face by his own teammate. Not a good day for Melo.

JugglingReferee Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:23am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 959027)
Would that have changed if they made the call?

It's possible that foul shots may have resulted earlier. And calling a foul does have an impact on the reaction of some coaches.

But if that player didn't return to the game, having a call here, I agree, wouldn't have changed that fact. (Assuming that's what you're getting at.)

ILRef80 Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:54pm

I still can't believe they missed that screen. So inexcusable.

Rob1968 Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 959027)
Would that have changed if they made the call?

Of course the call/no-call had nothing to do with Trimble's contribution, after that play. My statement was a simple observation, with no intended fault-finding on the part of the officials.
What I meant was that Trimble seemed to be really affected by the contact - he really took a shot on that play - and sat on the bench most of the rest of the game. And, the kick to the face he received, as noted by BNR, not long after that play, didn't help . . .


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