Women: Albany/Duke Double T (Video)

[bballref3966]

4:48 second half. A held ball is called, and then action afterwards. A Duke player shoves an Albany player, who then responds verbally. Both players are assessed technical fouls. They ended up resuming play at the POI, which was the AP throw-in. My question is: since this is a situation with a single contact dead ball technical foul, wouldn't the proper enforcement have been: 1) Duke shoots two for the unsporting T, 2) Albany shoots two for the CDBTF, 3) Albany gets ball at POI?

[Raymond]

NCAA-W have different Technical Foul rules than NCAA-M. I do not believe there is a separate category for Dead Ball Contact fouls.

[Multiple Sports]

They only assessed a double tech foul on that play and chose not to go to the monitor to see if anything else occured...

[APG]

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

4:48 second half. A held ball is called, and then action afterwards. A Duke player shoves an Albany player, who then responds verbally. Both players are assessed technical fouls. They ended up resuming play at the POI, which was the AP throw-in. My question is: since this is a situation with a single contact dead ball technical foul, wouldn't the proper enforcement have been: 1) Duke shoots two for the unsporting T, 2) Albany shoots two for the CDBTF, 3) Albany gets ball at POI?

Yes, actually! From the NCAAW rule set:

PENALTY: (Arts. 1 through 12-, excluding 1.c) Two free throws awarded to the offended team for a single player/substitute technical foul and play is resumed at the point of interruption. For double player/substitute technical fouls that do not include [a CDBT], no free throws are awarded and play is resumed at the point of interruption. For double player/substitute technical fouls when only one of the fouls includes [a CDBT], the offenders are awarded two free throws and play is resumed at the point of interruption with a throw-in to the offended team for the contact dead ball technical foul....

The only thing I can think of for the assessment that they administered was that V12's "handsy" reaction to being shoved was itself deemed a CDBT.

I'm surprised they didn't look this over at the table.

[bballref3966]

After watching the replay and the foul reporting, they didn't penalize the shover (Duke #14). They penalized #12 Albany and #30 Duke for getting in her face. So, they did get the enforcement right (double unsporting Ts), but they missed the instigator.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

After watching the replay and the foul reporting, they didn't penalize the shover (Duke #14). They penalized #12 Albany and #30 Duke for getting in her face. So, they did get the enforcement right (double unsporting Ts), but they missed the instigator.

#12 Blue instigated by slapping the ball out of the opponent's hands.

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

#12 Blue instigated by slapping the ball out of the opponent's hands.

Yeah, you're right.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

#12 Blue instigated by slapping the ball out of the opponent's hands.

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Yeah, you're right.

Ok. But how do you not also penalize the shove by #14 White? If I were the Albany coach, I would certainly ask for this to be reviewed.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Ok. But how do you not also penalize the shove by #14 White? If I were the Albany coach, I would certainly ask for this to be reviewed.

I pull out my machine gun in these situations. I would have no problem with 3 T's being issued.

[Kelvin green]

I agree should have been three Ts...