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rsl Fri Mar 20, 2015 06:18pm

Louisville-Uc Irvine - refs in the press again (Video)
 
I like the no call.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/03/loui...caa-tournament

SC Official Fri Mar 20, 2015 06:22pm

It should be emphasized that a foul call here would not have put UC-Irvine on the line–Louisville was using its remaining fouls to give.

Rich Fri Mar 20, 2015 06:25pm

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Originally Posted by rsl (Post 958533)

I liked it, too.

hbk314 Fri Mar 20, 2015 06:28pm

What made you guys like a no call?

Referee24.7 Fri Mar 20, 2015 06:30pm

What does it matter even if it was a "TAKE FOUL" (which is what it was), that's an OBVIOUS FOUL

It gives off the perception to many paranoid fans already that the refs are on the scoreboard and are just trying to get out of there. . .

jpgc99 Fri Mar 20, 2015 06:39pm

I don't see any illegal contact. The defender went for the ball and cleanly knocked the ball loose. A different camera angle might make me change my mind, but from the angle provided I don't see a foul.

Now, the writing of the article? Absolutely terrible. I'm going to look for a sports journalism forum and go bash Chris Chase.

MechanicGuy Fri Mar 20, 2015 06:43pm

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Originally Posted by Referee24.7 (Post 958537)
What does it matter even if it was a "TAKE FOUL" (which is what it was), that's an OBVIOUS FOUL

It gives off the perception to many paranoid fans already that the refs are on the scoreboard and are just trying to get out of there. . .

Those kind of fans don't deserve a second thought.

I have no problem questioning a specific call, but using said call to question an official's integrity is outrageous.

FWIW, I would've had a foul on the play. I think the contact came before the defender got to the ball.

SC Official Fri Mar 20, 2015 06:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Referee24.7 (Post 958537)
It gives off the perception to many paranoid fans already that the refs are on the scoreboard and are just trying to get out of there. . .

I'm sorry, but since when is it our job to care what said "paranoid fans" think?

Good luck in your officiating pursuits if you adjudicate plays based on the perceptions of "paranoid fans."

Camron Rust Fri Mar 20, 2015 06:54pm

From the only video I've seen, I can't even say whether there was contact or not. Certainly not good enough to question the call.

Even if there was contact, it is possible that the defender had already poked the ball away making it a lot harder to justify the contact was a foul.

APG Fri Mar 20, 2015 07:16pm

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Rich Fri Mar 20, 2015 07:16pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 958548)
From the only video I've seen, I can't even say whether there was contact or not. Certainly not good enough to question the call.

Even if there was contact, it is possible that the defender had already poked the ball away making it a lot harder to justify the contact was a foul.

This.

I credit the official for not just automatically calling a foul when the player lunged. Surely they knew that they only had 5 team fouls and were looking for Louisville to commit a foul.

The Irvine player was careless and paid for it. Watching the video it looked like the dribbler lost control on his own before the Louisville player could even try to foul him.

mutantducky Fri Mar 20, 2015 08:00pm

no foul.

gawd I hate dumb coaches when they yell at me to call the Reaching Foul on plays like this :mad:

Raymond Fri Mar 20, 2015 08:48pm

I do not see a foul. Good judgment by Center, he saw the play.

jpgc99 Fri Mar 20, 2015 09:03pm

After seeing the additional views, this is an outstanding no call.

Lesson for all of us: do not anticipate the foul, do not assume the foul. Referee the contact from start to finish. Very impressive work by the C to make the correct ruling on this!

AremRed Fri Mar 20, 2015 09:17pm

Looks like a foul to me. Body then ball.

Rich Fri Mar 20, 2015 09:22pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 958567)
Looks like a foul to me. Body then ball.

I don't think the defender ever touched the ball. I also don't think he fouled the player.

AremRed Fri Mar 20, 2015 09:27pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 958570)
I don't think the defender ever touched the ball. I also don't think he fouled the player.

Defender wasn't legal and initiated the contact causing the dribbler to lose the ball. Pretty sure that should result in a foul.

That move would be a legal shoulder charge in soccer, but...

APG Fri Mar 20, 2015 09:35pm

Shoulder bump leading to the dribbler losing control of the ball. I'd put air in the whistle here...all made easier given the game situation.

Raymond Fri Mar 20, 2015 09:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 958572)
Defender wasn't legal and initiated the contact causing the dribbler to lose the ball. Pretty sure that should result in a foul.

That move would be a legal shoulder charge in soccer, but...

He most definitely hit the ball. That last shot shows that.

And he got in underneath A1's shoulder getting the ball before any incidental contact.

JeffM Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:13pm

I'm not sure whether there was a foul or not.

I thought the ball handler did some acting rather than take care of the ball.

I also thought it was a poor play call. If a foul was called, UC Irvine would have had the ball at midcourt with about 4.1 secconds left. I think a better play would have been to get the ball to a player who was in scoring position such that the player could have gotten a shot off or the inbounds would have been along the end line.

deecee Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:27pm

In most cases I would say this isn't a foul, but the fact that their coach was calling for a foul and it was obvious they had fouls to give, I would call anything marginal.

In reality, I don't think this was a foul, but knowing that they were trying to foul I would foul.

Earlier in the game Louisville had a one on one where it looked like UCI clearly went for the foul and made some decent contact and no foul was called. In most cases this just leads to escalation. But the no call was right, if for the wrong/right reasons.

frezer11 Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpgc99 (Post 958540)

Now, the writing of the article? Absolutely terrible. I'm going to look for a sports journalism forum and go bash Chris Chase.

As soon as I read the name Chris Chase, it sparked my memory, there are already plenty of Chase bashing sites out there! He is terrible

Multiple Sports Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:59pm

Got nothing !!!!

Don't anticipate even when you think there will be a "take foul".....

Camron Rust Sat Mar 21, 2015 02:15am

With the 2nd video, I have foul. Definite contact, and even if the defender touched the ball first, it was the contact which prevented the dribbler from being able to maintain control of the ball.

hbk314 Sat Mar 21, 2015 02:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 958628)
With the 2nd video, I have foul. Definite contact, and even if the defender touched the ball first, it was the contact which prevented the dribbler from being able to maintain control of the ball.

Completely agree. An unfortunate miss that may or may not have ultimately made a difference.


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