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Nevadaref Fri Mar 20, 2015 01:51pm

Wyoming vs Northern Iowa Something in nothing out? (Video)
 
10:07 Wyoming vs Northern Iowa
Endline play

cmathews Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:19pm

??
 
Nevada....what is the rule on that play....my thought was it should have been wyoming's ball??

Raymond Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:36pm

Based on the description of the play I have....

Camron Rust Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 959036)
Based on the description of the play I have....

Agree

Nevadaref Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 959036)
Based on the description of the play I have....

Well, once the video guys get to this thread you can see the play for yourself.

AremRed Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 959189)
Well, once the video guys get to this thread you can see the play for yourself.

Maybe APG can get the video faster if you tell him if it was first or second half?

Btw APG it was first half.

APG Thu Mar 26, 2015 01:07am

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://youtube.com/embed/3REW0OkqjG4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

https://youtube.com/embed/3REW0OkqjG4

just another ref Thu Mar 26, 2015 03:02am

oops

Camron Rust Thu Mar 26, 2015 04:01pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 959194)
oops

Yep. That was a guess. He was probably watching the action in the paint and had no idea if the player was in our out but called it because it looked funny. The way he made the call gave it away....too much hesitation after blowing the whistle.. like he's was trying to decide what to call.

JRutledge Thu Mar 26, 2015 04:33pm

He was inbounds. ;)

Sloooooowwwww whistle next time.

Peace

AremRed Thu Mar 26, 2015 04:43pm

At least that wasn't as bad at what happened in the NBA last night: http://streamable.com/in9l

ODog Thu Mar 26, 2015 04:53pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 959253)
At least that wasn't as bad at what happened in the NBA last night: Streamable - simple video sharing

Whoa! Is it possible the NBA somehow has different rules for determining OOB?

BillyMac Thu Mar 26, 2015 05:04pm

NBA Fashion Police ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 959253)
At least that wasn't as bad at what happened in the NBA last night.

What's with the free throw shooter wearing a black undershirt under a white uniform jersey? What are the NBA rules regarding undershirts? I would assume that the NBA, being a professional organization, would be stricter than the NFHS (if that's possible), or the NCAA, regarding uniforms, and equipment.

Nevadaref Thu Mar 26, 2015 05:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 959253)
At least that wasn't as bad at what happened in the NBA last night: Streamable - simple video sharing

LOL! That's classic. The guy takes two full steps out of bounds, then "saves" the ball. The Lead just watches the shot. Hahaha. Back to the D-League!

AremRed Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:38pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 959257)
LOL! That's classic. The guy takes two full steps out of bounds, then "saves" the ball. The Lead just watches the shot. Hahaha. Back to the D-League!

Yep, he'll never work in the NBA again.

Nevadaref Fri Mar 27, 2015 02:47am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 959268)
Yep, he'll never work in the NBA again.

He is a full-time professional official, right? This is an awful piece of work from him.
If he was an MD and this play was a surgery, he would be facing a malpractice suit.

AremRed Fri Mar 27, 2015 03:09am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 959256)
What's with the free throw shooter wearing a black undershirt under a white uniform jersey? What are the NBA rules regarding undershirts? I would assume that the NBA, being a professional organization, would be stricter than the NFHS (if that's possible), or the NCAA, regarding uniforms, and equipment.

Billy, you're welcome to go read the NBA rules yourself but I doubt you'll find anything regarding the color of undershirts. I searched the NBA Video Rulebook too but it wasn't a topic. :D

BillyMac Fri Mar 27, 2015 06:22am

Calling All NBA Rules Experts ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 959256)
What's with the free throw shooter wearing a black undershirt under a white uniform jersey? What are the NBA rules regarding undershirts? I would assume that the NBA, being a professional organization, would be stricter than the NFHS (if that's possible), or the NCAA, regarding uniforms, and equipment.

C'mon APG. Can you help us out here?

ballgame99 Fri Mar 27, 2015 08:04am

Can the shooter just enter the lane on a free throw like that in the NBA? That is a lane violation in NFHS.

Adam Fri Mar 27, 2015 08:29am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 959276)
He is a full-time professional official, right? This is an awful piece of work from him.
If he was an MD and this play was a surgery, he would be facing a malpractice suit.

But he's not. And it wasn't.

MD Longhorn Fri Mar 27, 2015 09:02am

On the NBA play ... worse... watch the clock. If the player was in (he wasn't) and saved the ball, the clock would have run out before the shot. Thank goodness it didn't go in.

Nevadaref Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:44pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 959285)
But he's not. And it wasn't.

He's not a full-time professional official and it wasn't an awful piece of work from him?

john5396 Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:53pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 959293)
He's not a full-time professional official and it wasn't an awful piece of work from him?

No, he isn't a doctor, and this isn't life or death, this is basketball which is more important.

MD Longhorn Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 959293)
He's not a full-time professional official and it wasn't an awful piece of work from him?

He's not an MD, and this was not a surgery.

frezer11 Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 959256)
What's with the free throw shooter wearing a black undershirt under a white uniform jersey? What are the NBA rules regarding undershirts? I would assume that the NBA, being a professional organization, would be stricter than the NFHS (if that's possible), or the NCAA, regarding uniforms, and equipment.

On a similar note, a Wyoming player in that game had a black undershirt under his gold jersey. Why was that allowed? I've seen those shoulder harness things that can look like a compression undershirt, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't what he was wearing.

Adam Fri Mar 27, 2015 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 959293)
He's not a full-time professional official and it wasn't an awful piece of work from him?

Even though I could have been slightly more clear (not much, though), I'm certain you knew what I meant.

Just in case, though:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 959296)
He's not an MD, and this was not a surgery.


AremRed Fri Mar 27, 2015 01:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 959286)
On the NBA play ... worse... watch the clock. If the player was in (he wasn't) and saved the ball, the clock would have run out before the shot. Thank goodness it didn't go in.

The rumor is the clock operator stopped the clock when he saw the player go OOB....but then started it when he realized there wa no whistle.

The worst thing about this is that it will not show up in the public NBA "last two minute" officiating reports because the lead was not 5 points or less at 2 minutes. In this case the Rockets were up 7 at the two minute mark.

Nevadaref Fri Mar 27, 2015 01:37pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 959298)
Even though I could have been slightly more clear (not much, though), I'm certain you knew what I meant.

Just in case, though:

Of course I did, but I'm making a point about how we think about accountability in basketball officiating.
We can't talk about professionalism, especially for those who work in the NBA, and then write off egregious errors as "it's only a game and mistakes happen" or whatever other line people want to use.
If we want officials to be seen as and treated as professionals, which the NBA officials certainly are and are paid as, then there needs to be actual accountabilty when they botch something.

AremRed Fri Mar 27, 2015 01:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 959302)
Of course I did, but I'm making a point about how we think about accountability in basketball officiating.
We can't talk about professionalism, especially for those who work in the NBA, and then write off egregious errors as "it's only a game and mistakes happen" or whatever other line people want to use.
If we want officials to be seen as and treated as professionals, which the NBA officials certainly are and are paid as, then there needs to be actual accountabilty when they botch something.

Uh there is accountability. Internally.

Adam Fri Mar 27, 2015 03:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 959302)
Of course I did, but I'm making a point about how we think about accountability in basketball officiating.
We can't talk about professionalism, especially for those who work in the NBA, and then write off egregious errors as "it's only a game and mistakes happen" or whatever other line people want to use.
If we want officials to be seen as and treated as professionals, which the NBA officials certainly are and are paid as, then there needs to be actual accountabilty when they botch something.

You and I both know there is accountability. I think it's a safe bet the NBA has already discussed this situation with the official who missed it.

I just wanted to make the point that comparing this to medical malpractice isn't going to validate your point. Yes, we're professionals, and this guys gets to do it full time. But it's not surgery, it's a game.

As fans, we should remember that, and not think someone should be put in the stocks when he makes a mistake on the court.

Nevadaref Fri Mar 27, 2015 03:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 959307)
You and I both know there is accountability. I think it's a safe bet the NBA has already discussed this situation with the official who missed it.

I just wanted to make the point that comparing this to medical malpractice isn't going to validate your point. Yes, we're professionals, and this guys gets to do it full time. But it's not surgery, it's a game.

As fans, we should remember that, and not think someone should be put in the stocks when he makes a mistake on the court.

You are doing exactly what I wrote above, being an apologist and trivializing the importance of the job. "It's a game."

The amount of money paid to those in this profession says otherwise.
If they are going to be paid like doctors and lawyers, it's about time that they be held to similar standards.

A quick internet search on the $
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Senior Referees : Annual Earnings ($600,000) :
Senior Referees are well known for their fair decision and they followed and known with each rule of NBA and have experienced of big matches . There salaries were estimated $550,000 during 2009 which might have increased from that period of time . They received this salary budget on their experienced level as Official in NBA. The expected per match fee of the Senior Referees is $3,500 which is increased when there is big rivalry game between two NBA teams. Entry-Level Referees : Annual Earnings ($200,000) :
The young referee’s who were participating in the NBA league almost get the $1,500 per game for their services, they have this low salary because of lack of experience , with past of time their salaries were increased as they become the experienced member of the NBA Officials .

Adam Fri Mar 27, 2015 03:19pm

I'm just saying basketball isn't life-or-death.

Raymond Fri Mar 27, 2015 03:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 959308)
You are doing exactly what I wrote above, being an apologist and trivializing the importance of the job. "It's a game."

The amount of money paid to those in this profession says otherwise.
If they are going to be paid like doctors and lawyers, it's about time that they be held to similar standards.
... .

So you want teams to be able to sue for malpractice over a bad call?

Camron Rust Fri Mar 27, 2015 03:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 959308)
You are doing exactly what I wrote above, being an apologist and trivializing the importance of the job. "It's a game."

The amount of money paid to those in this profession says otherwise.
If they are going to be paid like doctors and lawyers, it's about time that they be held to similar standards.
.

Can't disagree more. The significance of the consequence of making a mistake is always relevant. The procedures doctors are expected to follow are what they are in order to reduce almost all opportunities for mistakes... Often times to a degree that seems quite excessive. But, a life is on the line so the extra precautions are warranted.

If the NBA wanted that level of precision, they'd use a couple dozen referees and multiple camera angles to cover every play. But, they don't. They don't want the game bogged down with making sure every play is covered to perfection in every aspect. They are OK that a single game can have a few missed calls with the expectation that they will not become an increasing problem.


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