"Traveling out of bounds" (Video)

Originally Posted by justacoach

APG:

Can you pull video of this infraction??

I'm sure he would if you could find the timestamp so he doesn't have to search for it!

[APG]

Originally Posted by justacoach

APG:

Can you pull video of this infraction??

[osf777]

Thanks for the video. So now not only do you have the official signaling travel, you have an announcer telling us "he moved his feet," implying that taking steps was the infraction, perpetuating the myth further.

[BlueDevilRef]

I'll admit I, prior to becoming an official, believed this myth and just thought that was the call when it happened. I recall Kyle Singler from Duke being called for it in a game a few years ago after he started to run the endline on a spot throw. I just thought it was the way it was done. Sometimes we forget, as officials, that most people have no clue what is going on and that is only made worse when high level officials continue to make the mistake of using that mechanic.

[so cal lurker]

While I get that it can perpetuate a myth, to those who know the rules (and believe that the official knows the rules), the signal does communicate exactly what happened . . . just guesing, but it may be that the NCAA refs who have done this believe that the players/coaches do know the rule and will know what was called (and that, for example, it wasn't an overly quick 5 second count)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

While I get that it can perpetuate a myth, to those who know the rules (and believe that the official knows the rules), the signal does communicate exactly what happened . . . just guesing, but it may be that the NCAA refs who have done this believe that the players/coaches do know the rule and will know what was called (and that, for example, it wasn't an overly quick 5 second count)

It doesn't communicate what happened. It's a traveling signal, so it communicates that the player traveled. Those who know the rules know what the official meant by the signal. It's not the worst thing ever, and it's certainly better than the Frankenstein.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Adam

It doesn't communicate what happened. It's a traveling signal, so it communicates that the player traveled. Those who know the rules know what the official meant by the signal. It's not the worst thing ever, and it's certainly better than the Frankenstein.

Uhh, exactly. If they know what the official means by the signal, that would be, uhh, communication! . . .

"When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Uhh, exactly. If they know what the official means by the signal, that would be, uhh, communication! . . .

"When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

The problem is the vastly higher number of people watching who don't read the rules and assume he called the player for traveling.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Adam

It doesn't communicate what happened. It's a traveling signal, so it communicates that the player traveled. Those who know the rules know what the official meant by the signal. It's not the worst thing ever, and it's certainly better than the Frankenstein.

The "Frankenstein" is an approved signal for NCAA-M.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

It doesn't communicate what happened. It's a traveling signal, so it communicates that the player traveled. Those who know the rules know what the official meant by the signal. It's not the worst thing ever, and it's certainly better than the Frankenstein.

Frankenstein? Is that the one with the arms down showing the player's not vertical?

Personally, I think this is a great signal.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

Is that the one with the arms down showing the player's not vertical?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Frankenstein? Is that the one with the arms down showing the player's not vertical?

Personally, I think this is a great signal.

That one I don't mind, I'm talking about the "over the back" mechanic we see so often.