NCAA Women's Tournament Officials

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Maryland vs. UConn: Joe Vaszily, Eric Brewton, Maj Forsberg

Likely means Dee Kantner will be working the final again.

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Dee Kantner

Denise Brooks

Mark Zentz

These are my two biggest criticisms of the NCAAW officiating system:
1. If you aren't female, you have a very slim chance of working the top games because the powers that be almost always put a minimum of two females on the crew.
2. It's the same couple of people year after year on the championship game. Seriously, can't they train a few other people or haven't a couple of other people developed to the point that someone doesn't have to be assigned to eight NCAA Finals in a row! Seriously, spread the wealth and give someone else a chance!

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

These are my two biggest criticisms of the NCAAW officiating system:
1. If you aren't female, you have a very slim chance of working the top games because the powers that be almost always put a minimum of two females on the crew.
2. It's the same couple of people year after year on the championship game. Seriously, can't they train a few other people or haven't a couple of other people developed to the point that someone doesn't have to be assigned to eight NCAA Finals in a row! Seriously, spread the wealth and give someone else a chance!

All the other eligible refs are dudes. There aren't that many women who have been working the 15+ years necessary to work the championship game.

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

2. It's the same couple of people year after year on the championship game. Seriously, can't they train a few other people or haven't a couple of other people developed to the point that someone doesn't have to be assigned to eight NCAA Finals in a row! Seriously, spread the wealth and give someone else a chance!

This is what stands out to me.

[Raymond]

As far as male representation in NCAA-W, oh well. Playing the gender card are we? Whenever the demographic in power finds itself on the short end of the stick, all of a sudden it some major injustice.

How much better than everybody else would a female have to be in order to get an fair shot on the Men's side? Shoot, how much better do women have to be just to get a few BV games in their local associations?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

As far as male representation in NCAA-W, oh well. Playing the gender card are we? Whenever the demographic in power finds itself on the short end of the stick, all of a sudden it some major injustice.



How much better than everybody else would a female have to be in order to get an fair shot on the Men's side? Shoot, how much better do women have to be just to get a few BV games in their local associations?

All. Of. This.


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[HawkeyeCubP]

Additionally, the goal is what? To get the best officials on the game. That's what the coaches want. If something were upsetting them in the process and/or what 12 officials get the F4 assignments in any given 5-year stretch, they'd be vocal about it. Must not be unsatisfactory to anyone but...some men working on the women's side. (Of which I happen to be one.)


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[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

As far as male representation in NCAA-W, oh well. Playing the gender card are we? Whenever the demographic in power finds itself on the short end of the stick, all of a sudden it some major injustice.

How much better than everybody else would a female have to be in order to get an fair shot on the Men's side? Shoot, how much better do women have to be just to get a few BV games in their local associations?

I can tell you in my association, women are getting their shot at varsity boys' games. Your comments are obviously valid for NCAAM, though discrimination on one side doesn't make it right on the other side.

I do agree, it's hard for me to drum up too much indignation about it, though, given the way things are on the men's side; and I'm rarely short on indignation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

I can tell you in my association, women are getting their shot at varsity boys' games....

Well, you do live in Colorado, a lot of things are different there.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Well, you do live in Colorado, a lot of things are different there.

I can't argue with that.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

As far as male representation in NCAA-W, oh well. Playing the gender card are we? Whenever the demographic in power finds itself on the short end of the stick, all of a sudden it some major injustice.

How much better than everybody else would a female have to be in order to get an fair shot on the Men's side? Shoot, how much better do women have to be just to get a few BV games in their local associations?

I hire women to work varsity boys games if they want them. To me, they have to be no better than any other male official. They can also be no worse.

[JRutledge]

One of the problems with this who is assigned, is female officials often get college opportunities they would never get at the same rate on any other level. There was a female officials that worked the McDonald's All-American game this past year that only had like 3 or 4 years total officiating experience. There is hardly any such equivalent on the Men's side regardless of gender. And when a female officials is snatched up, they are given a full schedule of college. Heck I would rather work for $160 or more on a regular basis too, instead of working for $60 in a similarly packed gym.

It is also very rare that female officials get assigned the boy's side, but heck they hardly do high school anyway if they are moved as fast as they often are moved.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

Look, the NCAA (and other organizations) can do what they want, but how less better can women be and still advance quickly on the women's side? It works both ways, you know...

If the playing field isn't level, then perhaps all women's and girls' games should be left to only female officials....

Me? I'm an assigner and an official. I'll hire any woman that's capable to work. But I won't fast track anyone based on anything other than ability.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

One of the problems with this who is assigned, is female officials often get college opportunities they would never get at the same rate on any other level. There was a female officials that worked the McDonald's All-American game this past year that only had like 3 or 4 years total officiating experience. There is hardly any such equivalent on the Men's side regardless of gender. And when a female officials is snatched up, they are given a full schedule of college. Heck I would rather work for $160 or more on a regular basis too, instead of working for $60 in a similarly packed gym.

It is also very rare that female officials get assigned the boy's side, but heck they hardly do high school anyway if they are moved as fast as they often are moved.

Peace

Well, here in good ole VA, I have seen at least 3 good female officials get denied boys HS games, while some horrible, and I mean horrible, male officials get top of the line games.

What I do know, is that if the conversation were about blacks not getting certain assignments, the phrase "race card" would have jumped off a couple folks keyboards real quick. What makes complaining about a lack of males getting certain assignments any different than a lack of blacks getting certain assignments?

To me it's playing the "gender card".

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Well, here in good on VA, I have seen at least 3 good female officials get denied boys HS games, while some horrible, and I mean horrible male officials get top of the line games.

I work for the schools, but I couldn't imagine anyone complaining that they were sent a female official. I'm just trying to imagine that conversation. Personally, I've scheduled females for some of the toughest male coaches to work for that I have. Doesn't bother me a bit if they don't like it, either -- cause they likely won't officially say anything about it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Well, here in good ole VA, I have seen at least 3 good female officials get denied boys HS games, while some horrible, and I mean horrible, male officials get top of the line games.

What I do know, is that if the conversation were about blacks not getting certain assignments, the phrase "race card" would have jumped off a couple folks keyboards real quick. What makes complaining about a lack of males getting certain assignments any different than a lack of blacks getting certain assignments?

To me it's playing the "gender card".

Don't get me wrong, they are denied. But often they know this going in and quickly get over it and move on to the other level if they have the opportunity. They leave the high school level behind very quickly. I never would suggest that they were given an equal opportunity on the boy's side of the isle.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Don't get me wrong, they are denied. But often they know this going in and quickly get over it and move on to the other level if they have the opportunity. They leave the high school level behind very quickly. I never would suggest that they were given an equal opportunity on the boy's side of the isle.

Peace

And I don't deny that it happens here, either. I just have no time or place for it. personally.