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tmagan Mon Mar 16, 2015 09:06pm

Annual Precision Timing thread
 
On this date, every year I would ask if the NCAA tournament would use 'precision timing'. Apparently they are.

So now I ask, how many instances will we see the scorers table fail to stop the clock on a made field goal in the final minute of regulation? It seems to happen every other NCAA tournament game followed by a review at the monitor.

By the way, if there is a made field goal with 1:03 left in regulation and the ball is not inbounded at the 1:00 minute mark, does the clock stop? I know it does in the NBA (at the two minute mark), but I have seen instances in the NCAA where it does and sometimes it doesn't.

bballref3966 Mon Mar 16, 2015 09:20pm

The clock only stops if the field goal clears the net with 59.9 seconds or less remaining in the second half or OT.

Rich Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:02pm

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Originally Posted by tmagan (Post 957936)
On this date, every year I would ask if the NCAA tournament would use 'precision timing'. Apparently they are.

So now I ask, how many instances will we see the scorers table fail to stop the clock on a made field goal in the final minute of regulation? It seems to happen every other NCAA tournament game followed by a review at the monitor.

By the way, if there is a made field goal with 1:03 left in regulation and the ball is not inbounded at the 1:00 minute mark, does the clock stop? I know it does in the NBA (at the two minute mark), but I have seen instances in the NCAA where it does and sometimes it doesn't.

Your post just reminded me that this is my favorite time of the year to watch hoops and my least favorite time on the forum.

AremRed Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:56pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 957938)
Your post just reminded me that this is my favorite time of the year to watch hoops and my least favorite time on the forum.

Wait, why?? Personally I love the influx of fans/trolls and the million block/charge plays that get posted.

mtn335 Tue Mar 17, 2015 03:01pm

It shouldn't be that difficult to rig a sensor in the rim to determine when the ball passes through it (pop-a-shot does it!). It also shouldn't be that difficult for that sensor to only go on when the clock reads 59.9 or less. PTS 2.0?

Adam Tue Mar 17, 2015 03:05pm

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Originally Posted by mtn335 (Post 957974)
It shouldn't be that difficult to rig a sensor in the rim to determine when the ball passes through it (pop-a-shot does it!). It also shouldn't be that difficult for that sensor to only go on when the clock reads 59.9 or less. PTS 2.0?

Clock stops when it passes through the net, not the rim. Subtle difference that couldn't be accounted for with a sensor on the rim.

BillyMac Tue Mar 17, 2015 03:22pm

Where's Chuck Elias ???
 
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Originally Posted by tmagan (Post 957936)
Annual Precision Timing thread

Whatever happened to the Annual Off Topic Baseball Thread?

Camron Rust Tue Mar 17, 2015 03:47pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 957976)
Whatever happened to the Annual Off Topic Baseball Thread?

Never knew it was gone....and would not be upset if it didn't come back. ;)

APG Tue Mar 17, 2015 04:54pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 957976)



Whatever happened to the Annual Off Topic Baseball Thread?

There's a certain poster who is fond of squirrels...that has been lacking in his duties.

SNIPERBBB Tue Mar 17, 2015 07:22pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 957979)
There's a certain poster who is fond of squirrels...that has been lacking in his duties.

Squirrel season is closed here, though I am licensed to trap animals which are causing damage for a fee.

Matt Wed Mar 18, 2015 01:45pm

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 957981)
Squirrel season is closed here, though I am licensed to trap animals which are causing damage for a fee.

What kinds of animals cause damage for a fee?

AremRed Thu Mar 19, 2015 03:16pm

The company that makes these things might have the worst website I've ever seen: http://precisiontime.com

AremRed Thu Mar 19, 2015 03:19pm

I haven't been watching that closely, but have noticed some of the officials chopping the clock like normal and not using the timing pack to start the clock. Perhaps not all the officials are familiar with their use?

hbk314 Thu Mar 19, 2015 03:20pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 958202)
The company that makes these things might have the worst website I've ever seen: http://precisiontime.com

Yeah. That's horrible. lol

Drizzle Thu Mar 19, 2015 03:34pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 958204)
I haven't been watching that closely, but have noticed some of the officials chopping the clock like normal and not using the timing pack to start the clock. Perhaps not all the officials are familiar with their use?

It doesn't appear they are using Precision Timing in Pittsburgh - no packs & they're chopping the clock. Every other site I've seen is using it.

AremRed Thu Mar 19, 2015 03:58pm

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Originally Posted by Drizzle (Post 958210)
It doesn't appear they are using Precision Timing in Pittsburgh - no packs & they're chopping the clock. Every other site I've seen is using it.

The officials in the ND-Northeastern game used the packs and the officials for the Butler-Texas game had them at the beginning of the game. I wonder if they switched at halftime.

Drizzle Thu Mar 19, 2015 06:03pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 958213)
The officials in the ND-Northeastern game used the packs and the officials for the Butler-Texas game had them at the beginning of the game. I wonder if they switched at halftime.

And now they're back on for the Villanova game... which included a delay in the first two minutes to correct an inadvertently stopped clock!

AremRed Thu Mar 19, 2015 06:17pm

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Originally Posted by Drizzle (Post 958251)
And now they're back on for the Villanova game... which included a delay in the first two minutes to correct an inadvertently stopped clock!

Maybe they only have the four packs and don't have time for the officials to switch them between games??

jchamp Thu Mar 19, 2015 07:03pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 957975)
Clock stops when it passes through the net, not the rim. Subtle difference that couldn't be accounted for with a sensor on the rim.

Sure it could!
You put an array of IR sensors around the rim (each like a garage door opener's electric eye)
The programming on the back end of the sensor looks for the decreasing/increasing pattern that resembles a round object going through it. The several sensors would be able to accommodate a ball that is passing through at an angle, or off-center. The clock only stops when the ball has completely passed through, and enough time to account for its rate of descent, which could also be accounted for, by using the rate at which the sensors track the rise/fall of the ball.
Using Fresnel lenses around the inside of the rim, the time could be determined down to the millisecond! And with acoustic sensors and pressure sensors around the 3-point line, coupled with tracking devices within the ball itself, we could even determine if any given shot is a 2- or 3-point shot without the officials even having to signal! Goal-tending/basket interference calls would be a thing of the past! We could know when the ball is released if it has a chance of going in, and not penalize a team if the ball is going to miss!
Just wait to see what will happen to the game after a bunch of bored engineers put their heads together to make it better! :D

AremRed Thu Mar 19, 2015 07:23pm

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Originally Posted by jchamp (Post 958263)
Sure it could!
You put an array of IR sensors around the rim (each like a garage door opener's electric eye)
The programming on the back end of the sensor looks for the decreasing/increasing pattern that resembles a round object going through it. The several sensors would be able to accommodate a ball that is passing through at an angle, or off-center. The clock only stops when the ball has completely passed through, and enough time to account for its rate of descent, which could also be accounted for, by using the rate at which the sensors track the rise/fall of the ball.
Using Fresnel lenses around the inside of the rim, the time could be determined down to the millisecond! And with acoustic sensors and pressure sensors around the 3-point line, coupled with tracking devices within the ball itself, we could even determine if any given shot is a 2- or 3-point shot without the officials even having to signal! Goal-tending/basket interference calls would be a thing of the past! We could know when the ball is released if it has a chance of going in, and not penalize a team if the ball is going to miss!
Just wait to see what will happen to the game after a bunch of bored engineers put their heads together to make it better! :D

TL;DR: We have the technology. :p


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