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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Mar 15, 2015 03:13pm

Mich. State-Wisconsin Transition Play (Video)
 
I would like a video of the Block/Charge call at 4:55 of the First Half. Thank you.

The L called a Block on the Wisconsin player and I am still trying to figure out what he saw. It was either a Charge or there was no foul at all.

MTD, Sr.

crosscountry55 Sun Mar 15, 2015 04:06pm

Are you talking about the play in which the MSU player led with the shoulder around the elbow? If so, even the announcers thought the offensive player got away with one there. Similar play on the other end a few minutes later and they called a charge on WI. Bo Ryan was not pleased.

Raymond Sun Mar 15, 2015 05:41pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 957884)
Are you talking about the play in which the MSU player led with the shoulder around the elbow? If so, even the announcers thought the offensive player got away with one there. ...

Umm, that would make me think the official got it right.

Adam Sun Mar 15, 2015 05:47pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 957889)
Umm, that would make me think the official got it right.

Except that announcers think everything is a block.

crosscountry55 Sun Mar 15, 2015 07:19pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 957889)
Umm, that would make me think the official got it right.

Elbow of the paint. MSU offensive player drives in, leading with the shoulder, and displaces the UW player. Official calls a block on the on UW player.

That's what I meant. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

I disagree with the call based on what I saw. Should have been no call or PC on the MSU player.

APG Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:32pm

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Multiple Sports Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:42pm

This type of block / charge play came up on another thread. At the D1 level, whether you like it or not 90% of the officials are going to call a block if the defender doesn't "take" the charge. You can argue all you want that the rules doesn't state that ( Billy Mac will be outraged) but that is the reality.....

Easy block....offensive player can't come down.

Raymond Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:07pm

I see a defensive foul coming down on the arms.

crosscountry55 Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:09pm

That's not the play I was thinking of.

Looking at that play, seems like a block or maybe illegal use of hands (extends arms as the defender is backpeddling). Easy defensive foul call IMO.

I wish I had marked the time of the play I was thinking of. Oh well.

Camron Rust Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:21pm

The torsos didn't even touch. There was at least a foot of space between them at the closest point. It can't be a block if they don't touch. There might have been slight knee to knee contact which could be a block but I have illegal use of hands.

Rich Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:50pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 958003)
The torsos didn't even touch. There was at least a foot of space between them at the closest point. It can't be a block if they don't touch. There might have been slight knee to knee contact which could be a block but I have illegal use of hands.

Just give the cheating signal.

The whole notion of giving the "wrong" signal is just silly to me.

AremRed Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:18am

Uh there's nothing with the hands, guys. The defender gets the ball. Maybe not entirely ball but not enough for a foul at that level.

That said I doubt ref was looking there at all, he was busy dealing with the block/charge play. I have an easy block. Regardless of how you feel about the falling before torso contact the defender trips the offensive player with his knees/feet.

Rich Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:55am

I thought it was a no call then and I haven't changed my opinion.

griblets Wed Mar 18, 2015 05:24am

No call. White throw in.

JugglingReferee Wed Mar 18, 2015 08:30am

Definitely not a block. Definitely not a PC either.

I've got a patient whistle (I hope!!) and then white out of bounds for a throw-in.

deecee Wed Mar 18, 2015 08:32am

no call. there is no contact at all.

Raymond Wed Mar 18, 2015 09:23am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 958007)
Uh there's nothing with the hands, guys. The defender gets the ball. Maybe not entirely ball but not enough for a foul at that level.
....

That's a lot of arm. I have a foul at that level, and other levels as well.

Camron Rust Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:27am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 958040)
That's a lot of arm. I have a foul at that level, and other levels as well.

Exactly. I think the shooter may have had a chance to get a shot off until there was substantial contact on the elbow. The fact that he may have got the ball previously doesn't make the arm fair game.

Sharpshooternes Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:13am

No one Wants to go with a blocked shot followed by incidental contact on the arm? Green continues to push the ball out of bounds so white ball on the inbounds. Can someone do one of those poll thingies for college level officials only with A block. B. Charge. C. Blocked shot, off green. There is a whole lot of different opinions.
My very initial thought on first with was to ship it. But the. I could have bought a block because the defender dun fell down. Then I saw the legal blocked shot. The moral of the story I guess is sell the crap out of it.

Camron Rust Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:43am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 958138)
No one Wants to go with a blocked shot followed by incidental contact on the arm? Green continues to push the ball out of bounds so white ball on the inbounds. Can someone do one of those poll thingies for college level officials only with A block. B. Charge. C. Blocked shot, off green. There is a whole lot of different opinions.
My very initial thought on first with was to ship it. But the. I could have bought a block because the defender dun fell down. Then I saw the legal blocked shot. The moral of the story I guess is sell the crap out of it.

Hitting the arm isn't a legal blocked shot. At the time the arm was hit, the shooter still had a chance to complete the shot, even if it had been partially blocked previously.

I could go with a block too since, the defender's leg, at the time of contact would extended well beyond his torso....and that is where that contact was.


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