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JeffM Wed Mar 04, 2015 06:31pm

I think those are fair comments for a former coach.

Teams often practice less towards the end of the season so that the players will be fresh for the games. It makes sense that officials could benefit by getting extra rest towards the end of the season.

Rich Wed Mar 04, 2015 07:14pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 956884)
One of the bigger tests in contractor/employee relationships is the individuals ability to accept work from others.

I think it would be possible to institute a cap, but it would have to be done carefully. I think both of your ideas have potential.

The contract is with Conference A. How can that contract say that an official can't work for Conference B the night before or after?

I assign 20 boys HS teams and 18 girls HS teams -- while I can use whoever I want, how can I even begin to KNOW where someone else is working the other nights of a week?

scrounge Wed Mar 04, 2015 08:43pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 956914)
The contract is with Conference A. How can that contract say that an official can't work for Conference B the night before or after?

I assign 20 boys HS teams and 18 girls HS teams -- while I can use whoever I want, how can I even begin to KNOW where someone else is working the other nights of a week?

It's easy, you put it in your contract that if they work for you, then they can't work for any other conference.

Of course, you're going to have to then start withholding taxes, setting up a worker's comp plan, etc. Because you've just made them employees. :D

Rich Thu Mar 05, 2015 03:18am

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Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 956918)
It's easy, you put it in your contract that if they work for you, then they can't work for any other conference.

Of course, you're going to have to then start withholding taxes, setting up a worker's comp plan, etc. Because you've just made them employees. :D

Quite a few officials would get rid of that conference, then.

Conferences already have the choice of not hiring the guy working 90+ games a season. Then they hire them anyway.

just another ref Thu Mar 05, 2015 03:40am

Isn't it all about performance? If a guy has a noticeable drop in production at the end of the season for this reason (or any other reason for that matter) won't this problem take care of itself?

Camron Rust Thu Mar 05, 2015 03:44am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 956914)
The contract is with Conference A. How can that contract say that an official can't work for Conference B the night before or after?

Very easy. The people writing the contracts can have just about any stipulation they want. They can't say the official can't ever work for the other conference without getting into the employer/employee area. But, they could easily say that the contract for Game X begins 36 hours before the game time and can specify what the official is expected to do or not do during the contracted time. They already do that to some degree by requiring arrival at the site a couple hours before the game and arrival in the city by a certain time. There really is no reason additional commitment times couldn't be added.

If not all conferences to it, they might have to offer more pay for the extended contract requirements but most of the big conferences could easily afford that if they really wanted to ensure the officials were not working every day, day after day. Even if they don't pay more and all the big games have the same terms, being able to work only 3-4 $1000-2000+ games a week really isn't a hardship at that level.

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 956914)
I assign 20 boys HS teams and 18 girls HS teams -- while I can use whoever I want, how can I even begin to KNOW where someone else is working the other nights of a week?

Maybe not at the high school level, but, at the D1 level, knowing where others is pretty easy (if someone needed/wanted to know) when pretty much every game is televised somewhere and their are databases out there that track which officials worked where.

BillyMac Thu Mar 05, 2015 07:21am

Crystal Ball ...
 
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 956948)
... Maybe not at the high school level, but, at the D1 level, knowing where others is pretty easy (if someone needed/wanted to know)

Slightly off topic, but my Catholic middle school assigner can "see" our high school games on Arbiter to avoid scheduling conflicts. We allow him to do this by "telling" Arbiter to show him our high school schedule. It doesn't work the other way around, our high school assigner can't see our Catholic middle school assignments. My Catholic middle school assigner has a policy that high school assignments take priority over his middle school assignments.

Raymond Thu Mar 05, 2015 08:32am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 956952)
Slightly off topic, but my Catholic middle school assigner can "see" our high school games on Arbiter to avoid scheduling conflicts. We allow him to do this by "telling" Arbiter to show him our high school schedule. It doesn't work the other way around, our high school assigner can't see our Catholic middle school assignments. My Catholic middle school assigner has a policy that high school assignments take priority over his middle school assignments.

You control that. There is a sharing option under your profile.

Adam Thu Mar 05, 2015 09:43am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 956879)
That is the key word. The terms of any contract can just as easily impose such restrictions as not. The terms of the job can include so many days of rest if they wished.

One of the low level college (D2, I think) conferences around here has restricted their football officials from working high school football. We lost a few of our high school guys when that happened.

Adam Thu Mar 05, 2015 09:44am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 956946)
Quite a few officials would get rid of that conference, then.

Conferences already have the choice of not hiring the guy working 90+ games a season. Then they hire them anyway.

And this is what it comes down to.

Raymond Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:07am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 956963)
One of the low level college (D2, I think) conferences around here has restricted their football officials from working high school football. We lost a few of our high school guys when that happened.

Yes, I remember reading about that. Rocky Mountain Conference, or something like that.

Adam Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:31am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 956974)
Yes, I remember reading about that. Rocky Mountain Conference, or something like that.

Yep, RMAC.

Adam Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:33am

I think the real problem would be one of collusion. If the conferences somehow got together and decided to individually institute some sort of restrictions on outside activity against their contractors, I'm not sure that would be legal. Is there an anti-trust exemption for college sports?

Raymond Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:48am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 956992)
I think the real problem would be one of collusion. If the conferences somehow got together and decided to individually institute some sort of restrictions on outside activity against their contractors, I'm not sure that would be legal. Is there an anti-trust exemption for college sports?

No, I think any kind of exemption went out the door back in the 80's when college football started making its way to multiple broadcasters.

Adam Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:42am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 957000)
No, I think any kind of exemption went out the door back in the 80's when college football started making its way to multiple broadcasters.

I was thinking there was no exemption, which means the conferences could get into trouble for colluding. They could easily find any contractual restrictions unenforceable.

Not that they couldn't decide not to hire the guys next year if they violate the contracts this year. But the guys who are getting 90 games a year are getting them for a reason.

One potential avenue would be for the NCAA to simply state anyone who works more than 75 (pick a number, really) NCAA games in a season is ineligible for post-season work. The guys who want to work in the tournament would suddenly police this themselves.


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