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biggravy Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:00pm

West Virginia vs Kansas Transition Block/Charge (Video)
 
Block/Charge 8:12 1st. KU v WVU ESPN. Thanks!

APG Thu Mar 05, 2015 09:20pm

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Originally Posted by biggravy (Post 956867)
Block/Charge 8:12 1st. KU v WVU ESPN. Thanks!

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mutantducky Thu Mar 05, 2015 09:47pm

charge....On the slo-mo I thought of maybe the block was the right call but I think the defender was there. Yeah there was a little movement but to me the offensive player is at fault. That would be a tough one to get right.
Would anyone want the calling official to stop or slow down here to better see the play develop? That was my thinking, he seems to be in a hurry to get down to the endline but I thought he could have stopped and let the dribbler get ahead.

hmm, with the advances of virtual reality, it will be fun to see that technology used. From the ref's perspective. So you could do training on a play like this at full speed and see how you do.


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Raymond Thu Mar 05, 2015 09:54pm

I had a block initially, and in slow motion.

Raymond Thu Mar 05, 2015 09:56pm

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Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 957103)
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Would anyone want the calling official to stop or slow down here to better see the play develop? That was my thinking, he seems to be in a hurry to get down to the endline but I thought he could have stopped and let the dribbler get ahead.
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No, the Lead needs to bust his a$$ down the court and be able to ref the play at the same time, that's why they get paid $2.5-3K to ref those games. The Center can pick up the back side.

Camron Rust Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:04pm

Charge...defender was in the path, facing, with two feet on the floor clearly before the shooter left the floor....and got crushed.

Lead had a poor angle to see that the defender was in the path....looking from the side on those kinds of plays is the worst position to see what needs to be seen. The L's position was only good for seeing if the defender moved forward into contact and that wasn't the issue on this play. He either need to be farther ahead of the play or hold up to see it from a better angle and not running at full speed.

The only thing he didn't do was get "set". But, of course, that isn't a requirement. ;)

AremRed Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:26pm

Charge. Why do you have a block BNR?

jpgc99 Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:30pm

Block. I have the defender creating contact by moving forward and into the offensive player.

JRutledge Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:40pm

I have a block and I am a "charge guy" usually.

Peace

mutantducky Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:05pm

That's what I thought Camron. I see his eyes on the dribbler then a quick glance at the defender. He is hustling and quite fast, but there are times when no ref can keep up. I thought slowing down and seeing the play develop would have been better. He got more of a snapshot rather than the whole picture. That being said, it is hard to argue with the call. I think it is a charge but one of those difficult ones to call.

just another ref Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:44pm

Charge.........he was in the path already but moved to center it up.

zm1283 Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:23am

Same as JRut. I give the benefit of the doubt to the defender a lot, but I have a block. Would almost definitely be a block in real time.

johnnyg08 Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:29am

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 957127)
Same as JRut. I give the benefit of the doubt to the defender a lot, but I have a block. Would almost definitely be a block in real time.

Block. Nice call.

Raymond Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:42am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 957113)
Charge. Why do you have a block BNR?

This:

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Originally Posted by jpgc99 (Post 957114)
Block. I have the defender creating contact by moving forward and into the offensive player.


Welpe Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:48am

I have a PC. The defender did lean forward initially but straightened up before contact occurred.


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