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BillyMac Mon Feb 23, 2015 04:02pm

Concussion ???
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/miami-l...75--ncaab.html

crosscountry55 Mon Feb 23, 2015 09:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 955940)
I think the rules committee might just want to address this so that there is little to no confusion how we should proceed with a call or not a call.

Completely agree. If we're so concerned about head injuries these days (rightfully so), it should be encoded in the rules that throwing a ball at someone's head, regardless of tactics or intent, is some kind of foul. I leave the specifics to the rules committee, but I believe this should be addressed to give more objective criteria to officials.

We did this for elbows above the shoulders and the message has been getting through. We can do this, too. Let's make the game safer.

Rob1968 Tue Feb 24, 2015 01:57am

Let's taake a look at Case Book 10.3.6 SITUATION B

The subject has been addressed, and presently puts the onus on the covering official, IOW, it is presently a judgmnt call. How would one move towards less judgment, and more of a codification of the elements involved in such a play?

Camron Rust Tue Feb 24, 2015 02:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 956047)
Let's taake a look at Case Book 10.3.6 SITUATION B

The subject has been addressed, and presently puts the onus on the covering official, IOW, it is presently a judgment call. How would one move towards less judgment, and more of a codification of the elements involved in such a play?

You probably can't.

Just like the same reason that a ball that hits the foot is not always a kick, sometimes, a ball that hits <insert body part> is not intended to hit that body part. Swinging elbows is an act very much intended to clear space by threatening contact...and if they connect (and even if they don't) it must be dealt with.

I've seen plays where someone is diving for a ball going OOB and slings it back behind them such that it hits someone in the face. They had no idea where it was going other than back towards the court.

We're always going to need to apply judgement to these plays.

bob jenkins Tue Feb 24, 2015 08:55am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 956050)
You probably can't.

Just like the same reason that a ball that hits the foot is not always a kick, sometimes, a ball that hits <insert body part> is not intended to hit that body part. Swinging elbows is an act very much intended to clear space by threatening contact...and if they connect (and even if they don't) it must be dealt with.

I've seen plays where someone is diving for a ball going OOB and slings it back behind them such that it hits someone in the face. They had no idea where it was going other than back towards the court.

We're always going to need to apply judgement to these plays.

exactly. I had a play last week where a girl tried to "save" the ball, but it slipped off her fingers and headed right for my head.

No way would I give a T for that.

JRutledge Tue Feb 24, 2015 09:21am

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 956032)
Completely agree. If we're so concerned about head injuries these days (rightfully so), it should be encoded in the rules that throwing a ball at someone's head, regardless of tactics or intent, is some kind of foul. I leave the specifics to the rules committee, but I believe this should be addressed to give more objective criteria to officials.

We did this for elbows above the shoulders and the message has been getting through. We can do this, too. Let's make the game safer.

I do not think you can take any contact with a head should be outlawed. For one there are many situations like this were a save is going to result in a ball hitting someone in the head. Maybe there needs to be more awareness under the rules, but I would hate to have a violation of the rules for any head contact. It is one thing to have an elbow hit a head, but it is different if the ball hits someone in the head.

This is also such a rare play anyway. I just did not like the way the officials decided this either.

Peace

Raymond Tue Feb 24, 2015 09:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 956062)
I do not think you can take any contact with a head should be outlawed. For one there are many situations like this were a save is going to result in a ball hitting someone in the head. Maybe there needs to be more awareness under the rules, but I would hate to have a violation of the rules for any head contact. It is one thing to have an elbow hit a head, but it is different if the ball hits someone in the head.

This is also such a rare play anyway. I just did not like the way the officials decided this either.

Peace

I believe the player's history for stirring up sh!t in games played into the decision.

JRutledge Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:04am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 956064)
I believe the player's history for stirring up sh!t in games played into the decision.

So he is a dirty player? Or he has a history of being dirty?

If that is the case, I do understand the reaction. ;)

Camron Rust Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 956067)
So he is a dirty player? Or he has a history of being dirty?

If that is the case, I do understand the reaction. ;)

He was suspended earlier in the year for a fight....including contact with an official:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd2-dYXDZxs

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Raymond Tue Feb 24, 2015 01:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 956067)
So he is a dirty player? Or he has a history of being dirty?

If that is the case, I do understand the reaction. ;)

I'm a life-long Louisville fan, and I get tired of his antics.

JRutledge Tue Feb 24, 2015 02:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 956090)
I'm a life-long Louisville fan, and I get tired of his antics.

I forgot about this situation.

I clearly understand now. ;)

Peace

BillyMac Sun Mar 08, 2015 06:06pm

Day Late, Dollar Short ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 956047)
Let's taake a look at Case Book 10.3.6 SITUATION B

10.3.6 SITUATION B: A1 has the ball out of bounds for a designated spot
throw-in. B1 is putting great pressure on and the count is at four seconds when
A1 throws the ball and it strikes B1’s face. The ball rebounds from B1’s face
directly out of bounds. RULING: The administering official will have to make a
decision based upon a number of observations. Was the throw-in to B1’s face
purely accidental or was it a voluntary, planned act? Was the ball contact caused
by the movement of the defender? Was the act of a an unsporting nature? The
administering official must be aware that players often react negatively in situations
where they are frustrated or are retaliating for something which happened
earlier in the game.

constable Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:04pm

So you can whip a ball in midair at an opponents private parts and it is just an OOB, but if you hit him in the face it is a technical( if the rule is applied correctly)?

What's the difference.

Camron Rust Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by constable (Post 957330)
So you can whip a ball in midair at an opponents private parts and it is just an OOB, but if you hit him in the face it is a technical( if the rule is applied correctly)?

What's the difference.

Not black and white.

bob jenkins Mon Mar 09, 2015 07:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by constable (Post 957330)
So you can whip a ball in midair at an opponents private parts and it is just an OOB, but if you hit him in the face it is a technical( if the rule is applied correctly)?

Says who?


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