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IUgrad92 Mon Feb 09, 2015 02:47pm

Another Block/Charge (Video)
 
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Sweet dunk and great highlight, but was it the correct call??
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rockyroad Mon Feb 09, 2015 02:50pm

Did they call a PC or a block???

AremRed Mon Feb 09, 2015 02:53pm

Looks like they called a block. I've got a no-call.

jeremy341a Mon Feb 09, 2015 03:26pm

PC, poor defender got posterized and then shafted.

Pantherdreams Mon Feb 09, 2015 03:37pm

Definitely don't know what he did to get a block call.

If you want to go no call i guess you could though if they get a dunk on contact that has my player end up back pedaling into the front row to protect himself I'ld be unhappy with that.

PC or nothing seem like the only options I can see.

Camron Rust Mon Feb 09, 2015 05:11pm

Looks like it could be a block to me. Defender had LGP but it appeared the shooter was slipping around (behind) him and the defender continued to drift into his path.

The view form the endline would have been ideal. Hard to say for certain from the angle in the video.

mutantducky Mon Feb 09, 2015 08:12pm

BooYEAH!!!

Ok, that was a sweet dunk. There was a block call. Maybe a no call would have been better but I think the block was ok.
I enjoyed the reactions of the cheerleaders and the opposing bench. They are going to have a few cracks to that unfortunate defender. :rolleyes:

JRutledge Mon Feb 09, 2015 08:36pm

I do not see a foul. It looks like the defender bailed out and the contact was minimal and mostly feel down trying to avoid the blow. But if there was displacement, it would have been a charge.

Peace

Blindolbat Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:29pm

I've got a PC here. LGP and whatever movement there was looks like he's gettin his face out of the way of a knee.

La Rikardo Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:33pm

What could the defender have done differently? PC or no-call. Definitely not a block here.

bainsey Tue Feb 10, 2015 01:11am

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Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 954443)
What could the defender have done differently? PC or no-call. Definitely not a block here.

+1

Would enjoy hearing from a college supervisor regarding this one.

Camron Rust Tue Feb 10, 2015 02:30am

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Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 954443)
What could the defender have done differently? PC or no-call. Definitely not a block here.

Not drift back into the path of the airborne shooter who had jumped in a direction and path that would have taken him clearly by him?

APG Tue Feb 10, 2015 02:58am

Charge or no call. Defender did nothing wrong

jeremy341a Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:47am

looks to me like his only movement is backwards. I don't see him moving into the path. I think the was an easy PC. The knee in the upper chest/head area seems like plenty of contact to me.

twocentsworth Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:49am

PC #easy

Camron Rust Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:58am

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Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 954488)
looks to me like his only movement is backwards. I don't see him moving into the path. I think the was an easy PC. The knee in the upper chest/head area seems like plenty of contact to me.

I agree his movement was backwards, but I think the shooter could have been coming from the side and jumping in a path that was going to go behind him...and the defender's backwards movement served to move him into his path. Backwards and away from the opponent are not always the same direction.

Bad Zebra Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 954455)
Not drift back into the path of the airborne shooter who had jumped in a direction and path that would have taken him clearly by him?

This is closest to what I saw first time, full speed. My thought was: defender stepped into shooters landing zone after shooter was airborne. That may or may not be 100% accurate after dissecting it in slow-mo multiple times, but I can live with a block call here.

jeremy341a Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:15pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 954493)
I agree his movement was backwards, but I think the shooter could have been coming from the side and jumping in a path that was going to go behind him...and the defender's backwards movement served to move him into his path. Backwards and away from the opponent are not always the same direction.


From my view the moment the shooter leaves the floor the defender couldn't be much more in his path to the rim than he already is. I understand your point though.

Camron Rust Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:32pm

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Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 954503)
From my view the moment the shooter leaves the floor the defender couldn't be much more in his path to the rim than he already is. I understand your point though.

I'm not 100% on my opinion on this one, I would want to see the endline view...or the C's view. Either of those would really be the best view on this one to know what really happened. I'd normally go with PC on plays that look much like this but the L had a block and I can see enough in the video that could explain his block.

Sometimes, one video angle can be entirely misleading. There was one play in the John Adams/NCAA block/charge video from a couple of years ago that really looked like a PC from the 1st two angles they showed and then, when showed a 3rd angle, it was clear that it was a block. To know for sure on many of these plays (not all), you have to have just the right angle. And, as luck would have it, the mechanics we use are set up to try to get us in the spot to give us the angles we need.

Adam Tue Feb 10, 2015 02:12pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 954455)
Not drift back into the path of the airborne shooter who had jumped in a direction and path that would have taken him clearly by him?

I agree the L's angle would be better, but frankly, I see no drifting from my angle.

If anything, the backpedaling takes the defender out drawing a charge, but to me, this is a PC or play on.

Great dunk, but based on what I see, I'm shipping this one.

drofficial Tue Feb 10, 2015 02:46pm

It's inconceivable to me how this could be a block or a no call. The offensive player goes thru (making ample contact) the defender who has LGP. If this is a no-call, then there's no such thing as a charge.

Raymond Tue Feb 10, 2015 03:58pm

I would need to see the play from an end line camera as Camron suggested.


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