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JRutledge Sun Feb 08, 2015 02:33pm

Fight in high school game (Video)
 
NW Indiana Brawl in a high school game.

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Peace

Mark Padgett Sun Feb 08, 2015 02:44pm

The table announcer said the remainder of the game will be rescheduled. Since that will be a continuation of this game, will they start by shooting the 83 technical fouls I counted? :eek:

AremRed Sun Feb 08, 2015 03:33pm

I'm not even sure how you diffuse a situation like this. The calling official went INT right away (probably was thinking flagrant) and closed down to the player on the ground. It would take some darn quick thinking by the other refs to keep the benches from exploding, but the coaches have to do a better job of that. In this case it would probably be easier to note the players left on the bench and eject everyone else. That is, if the game is going to be finished which clearly here was not the right option.

frezer11 Sun Feb 08, 2015 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 954245)
I'm not even sure how you diffuse a situation like this. The calling official went INT right away (probably was thinking flagrant) and closed down to the player on the ground. It would take some darn quick thinking by the other refs to keep the benches from exploding, but the coaches have to do a better job of that. In this case it would probably be easier to note the players left on the bench and eject everyone else. That is, if the game is going to be finished which clearly here was not the right option.

Exactly, what could be done to prevent it? I think the majority of brawls or fights there is something leading up to it, but this is one where I would believe it if there was nothing prior to this, and one idiot has a foul like that and it starts the whole thing. The calling official did a great job of immediately signaling, and immediately attempting to keep separation to prevent a brawl, but once it started, not much else you can do.

Just proof to why you have to be prepared in ALL games at ALL levels, because something like this can happen anywhere!

JRutledge Sun Feb 08, 2015 04:52pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 954245)
I'm not even sure how you diffuse a situation like this. The calling official went INT right away (probably was thinking flagrant) and closed down to the player on the ground. It would take some darn quick thinking by the other refs to keep the benches from exploding, but the coaches have to do a better job of that. In this case it would probably be easier to note the players left on the bench and eject everyone else. That is, if the game is going to be finished which clearly here was not the right option.

The game was less than 3 minutes old. Not sure there is much you can do in this kind of situation. The play the dark jersey player did to defend the lay-up was dirty beyond belief. The only thing the official in the Trail should have done, is turn around and stop everyone from coming off the bench. Instead he rand to the play and they did not need him there. But other than that, I see not much that could have been done. It was chaos when coaches, players and people in the stands appear to be in this situations.

Peace

deecee Sun Feb 08, 2015 05:34pm

Yuck. Looks like all bench personnel came on the court. Cant' tell which players were involved for sure. I'm suspending the game and letting my governing body decide on what should have happened.

mutantducky Sun Feb 08, 2015 05:53pm

lol at the teen who shoots near the end of the video.

That was a dangerous situation. Luckily it didn't end up worse. For the players returning next year I'd suspend them for a couple of games for the new season, to send a message.

johnny d Sun Feb 08, 2015 08:52pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 954245)
I'm not even sure how you diffuse a situation like this. The calling official went INT right away (probably was thinking flagrant) and closed down to the player on the ground. It would take some darn quick thinking by the other refs to keep the benches from exploding, but the coaches have to do a better job of that. In this case it would probably be easier to note the players left on the bench and eject everyone else. That is, if the game is going to be finished which clearly here was not the right option.


If this situation ever happens in a game I am working, I will be doing nothing at all to diffuse the situation. I will be as far away from the action as possible. The only two things I will be doing are keeping myself safe and trying to see which players are involved. Once the fists start flying, the benches clear, and fans become involved, it is a game management situation. It doesn't matter to me in the least who is getting beat, kicked, or punched, as long as it isn't me.

paulsonj72 Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:22pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 954237)
The table announcer said the remainder of the game will be rescheduled. Since that will be a continuation of this game, will they start by shooting the 83 technical fouls I counted? :eek:

Can I ask where you heard that because there is a sidebar that says the game will not be made up. Also love the police officers quote "I don't want to hear another word. Everyone's going home or you're going with me."

mutantducky Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:15am

I heard it too. but that will be left to the county/schools to decide. should be cancelled.

AremRed Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:27am

I doubt they will make up the game. There are only three weeks before the start of the state tournament and these teams have the potential to meet in the first round (sectional). Seeding is done by random draw so we'll have to wait and see.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:51am

It appeared to me that every player from both teams took part in the brawl. That means that they were all disqualified and the only way for the game to continue is if both teams add all new players to the scorebook at the expense of a TF to both teams for adding names to the scorebook.

MTD, Sr.

TimTaylor Mon Feb 09, 2015 01:43am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 954315)
It appeared to me that every player from both teams took part in the brawl. That means that they were all disqualified and the only way for the game to continue is if both teams add all new players to the scorebook at the expense of a TF to both teams for adding names to the scorebook.

MTD, Sr.

And since in most if not all states they will all get at least one game suspension, they will likely forfeit their next game as well.

If by some strange circumstance they were allowed to resume the game, I would hope it would be with a closed gym - no fans allowed.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 09, 2015 03:28am

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 954266)
Yuck. Looks like all bench personnel came on the court. Cant' tell which players were involved for sure. I'm suspending the game and letting my governing body decide on what should have happened.

One state in which I work has a bench clearing rule stating that if three or more individuals (illegally) leave the bench area during an altercation that team forfeits the contest. If both teams infringe, a double forfeit is ruled. The game ends right when this happens and the officials are not to continue.

twocentsworth Mon Feb 09, 2015 09:47am

I hereby nominate the official standing just above the top of the key w/ his hands on his hips watching the fight unfold for the "Cool Hand Luke Official of the Year Award"
#myhero


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