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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 11:28am
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1) he criticized her as an inexperienced official, not as a female official.

2) his account of what happened sounds like a bunch of jibberish
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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 12:20pm
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When's the last time a player said that officiating "may not be for him" with regard to a rookie male official?
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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 12:45pm
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1) he criticized her as an inexperienced official, not as a female official.

2) his account of what happened sounds like a bunch of jibberish
Maybe he was not, but it was very dismissive of her. Not sure he would have said that if she was a male. So he set himself up for that one if that is not what he really meant.

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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 01:03pm
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Looked like a game that was full of unnecessary BS and the crew took care of business.

Good for them. Hopefully the league stands behind them.
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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 01:43pm
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I just saw the replay on ESPN for Chris Paul's play. I'll just say he a straight up liar in his accounting of what happened. I've lost all respect for him.
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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 02:16pm
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Lauren played in college here and started officiating in our association. I don't know her since she had moved before I started, but from all accounts she is top notch.

The paper had an article about all this today and posted it on their Facebook page. Locals are taking jabs at her, including some high school officials, which is pretty low.
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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 03:29pm
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Lauren played in college here and started officiating in our association. I don't know her since she had moved before I started, but from all accounts she is top notch.

The paper had an article about all this today and posted it on their Facebook page. Locals are taking jabs at her, including some high school officials, which is pretty low.
Jealousy....typical HS association backbiting towards officials who choose to rise to upper levels of officiating.
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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 05:55pm
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Jealousy....typical HS association backbiting towards officials who choose to rise to upper levels of officiating.
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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 04:12pm
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The paper had an article about all this today and posted it on their Facebook page. Locals are taking jabs at her, including some high school officials, which is pretty low.
Even if she was a horrible official when there (doubtful), the local officials should STFU. I wouldn't want to work with any of them, personally.
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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 04:29pm
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Referee's Union offers support of Holtkamp.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...geles-clippers
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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 04:36pm
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"Paul got his technical when, after a Cleveland free throw, the Clippers were attempting to inbound the ball quickly, but Holtkamp stepped in and Paul questioned her."

Why does the official have to handle the ball after made free throw?
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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 03:01pm
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Looked like a game that was full of unnecessary BS and the crew took care of business.

Good for them. Hopefully the league stands behind them.
I watched all the 3rd quarter techs and I totally agree. All of them looked 100% to me. Holtkamp should be getting praise from this situation.
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Can anyone ever remember the focus of a player on a rookie official? This is why I do not why I do not believe Paul at all.

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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 05:15pm
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Maybe he was not, but it was very dismissive of her. Not sure he would have said that if she was a male. So he set himself up for that one if that is not what he really meant.

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He was dismissive of the rookie OFFICIAL...not HER. He has to use the personal pronoun in order to be grammatically correct. Would you feel the same way if he said: "This may not be for IT"?....

The official is a rookie who called an un-warranted T and was criticized by a player....what else is new - happens often...

btw - for those who are gender sensitive, making a "big deal" out of something that isn't a "big deal" doesn't mean that others are making it a "big deal"...YOU are the only ones making it a "big deal"!
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Old Fri Feb 06, 2015, 05:33pm
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He was dismissive of the rookie OFFICIAL...not HER. He has to use the personal pronoun in order to be grammatically correct. Would you feel the same way if he said: "This may not be for IT"?....

The official is a rookie who called an un-warranted T and was criticized by a player....what else is new - happens often...

btw - for those who are gender sensitive, making a "big deal" out of something that isn't a "big deal" doesn't mean that others are making it a "big deal"...YOU are the only ones making it a "big deal"!
I think he was just dismissive of her. I do not think it is about being sensitive of gender, but an recognition of the fact that in the world of sports which is often male dominated, males dismiss women's roles in sports and have for years. I have worked with female official only to have that male coach say something about the person in mainly gender classifications. It happens in other areas of our sports/officiating like race, height, weight, athletic size all get mentioned and now we are to think her gender could not be mentioned as a way to dismiss her ability? I would have not problem if he had said something only about the call, but he mentioned "This might not be for her." I do not hear NBA players make those kinds of comments publicly about any officiating rookie. For one they will get fined if they say anything about an official negatively.

Those can disagree, but I feel he was dismissing her because she was a woman.

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