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Old Thu Sep 11, 2003, 03:02pm
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Not sure if this has been discussed yet.

Fed new rule 9-11-4 (B.I.) Player pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the ring returns to its original position.

If a player grabs the ring to do this, 10-3-4 also applies.

No case for this rule. What are the early interpretations?

1) B.I.
2) T
3) B.I. & T
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Old Thu Sep 11, 2003, 03:09pm
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This rule is a direct result of the Teddy V/Bobby Knight eruption a few years ago. But to directly answer the question, it is still a T for grasping the ring. If you call a T for grasping the ring and then the ball contacts the rim before it returns to its normal position, it is also BI.

Hopefully, most of the time, you will be able to rule that the ring was not grasped, but that the player's normal follow-through of the dunking motion caused the ring to move. In that case, it would just be BI.
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Old Thu Sep 11, 2003, 03:15pm
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I haven't heard anything official, but the way I look at this is that new new rule means it is now BI--no matter who pulls the ring down. Additionally, if the player may not legally grasp the ring (most cases other than a shooter trying to maintain his/her balance, avoid injury), there would be a T as well.

Dang! You gotta be quick around here
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Old Thu Sep 11, 2003, 03:39pm
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See NFHS casebook play 9.11.1SitB. It's a T when the ring is grabbed.It's also BI the moment the hand touches the ring while the ball is touching the ring also. The new casebook has the same play in it,and the language covers the above play..
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1) B.I.
2) T
3) B.I. & T
You forgot 4) B.L.T.
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Old Fri Sep 12, 2003, 10:19am
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Analyze This. Please. (Federation rules)

I recently had this circumstance:

A1 shoots and misses, A2 goes up to dunk the rebound. Grabs the ball high in the air, not in the cylinder, misses the attempted dunk, ball shoots high in the air above the basket (in the cylinder). A2 grabs the ring and it comes down; in my view, he did it to stabilize himself (prevent injury) - as soon as he was stable, he let go of the ring. The ball came down through the basket. At no time was he touching the ring while the ball was touching the ring or in the basket.

And the verdict is . . .
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Old Fri Sep 12, 2003, 10:30am
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Quote:
Originally posted by Int

1) B.I.
2) T
3) B.I. & T
You forgot 4) B.L.T.
and

5) BFD
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Old Fri Sep 12, 2003, 10:32am
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Re: Analyze This. Please. (Federation rules)

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Originally posted by JeffTheRef
I recently had this circumstance:

A1 shoots and misses, A2 goes up to dunk the rebound. Grabs the ball high in the air, not in the cylinder, misses the attempted dunk, ball shoots high in the air above the basket (in the cylinder). A2 grabs the ring and it comes down; in my view, he did it to stabilize himself (prevent injury) - as soon as he was stable, he let go of the ring. The ball came down through the basket. At no time was he touching the ring while the ball was touching the ring or in the basket.

And the verdict is . . .
BI .... He shouldn't have missed the dunk.
Tough luck for the showboater.
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Old Fri Sep 12, 2003, 11:23am
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Re: Analyze This. Please. (Federation rules)

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Originally posted by JeffTheRef
I recently had this circumstance:

A1 shoots and misses, A2 goes up to dunk the rebound. Grabs the ball high in the air, not in the cylinder, misses the attempted dunk, ball shoots high in the air above the basket (in the cylinder). A2 grabs the ring and it comes down; in my view, he did it to stabilize himself (prevent injury) - as soon as he was stable, he let go of the ring. The ball came down through the basket. At no time was he touching the ring while the ball was touching the ring or in the basket.

And the verdict is . . .
safety = No T.

If the rim had returned to it's original position when the ball got there...count the bucket.
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Old Fri Sep 12, 2003, 11:39am
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That's what I did. The ex-D1 college players in this game went slightly nuts - nothing unusual. I had never had this happen, and felt blessed that it seemed to happen in slow motion, giving me time to look up each rule in my head as events evolved . . .

Hopefully your ruling will hold up . . . but, as always, JeffTheReff will settle for the truth.
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