Duke at Notre Dame (Video)

[Texref]

I don't think there was anything on the first play. Looked like ball/hand.

Second is a tough call, but I believe defender jumped into offense. Although I wouldn't argue that he landed prior to offense shooting.

[Nevadaref]

Please notice that shooter in the second play significantly jumps forward.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Please notice that shooter in the second play significantly jumps forward.

And?

[Raymond]

In play 1 there is no camera angle that shows where W32 makes contact with ball or player, so how can we judge if the Lead got it right? I'm trusting the Lead saw illegal contact.

[ccrroo]

Fan here. Just curious.

In play 1 (in the post) is there an opportunity for W32 to take a charge. It looks like W32 is in great position and B15 is just moving him out of the way.

Does he not take a charge because the rules don't allow it or because he doesn't think a charge is the best defense in that situation?

I might suggest to my 12 year old in that great of position to take a charge. But if it's not a good option, I'd like to understand why.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ccrroo

Fan here. Just curious.

In play 1 (in the post) is there an opportunity for W32 to take a charge. It looks like W32 is in great position and B15 is just moving him out of the way.

Does he not take a charge because the rules don't allow it or because he doesn't think a charge is the best defense in that situation?

I might suggest to my 12 year old in that great of position to take a charge. But if it's not a good option, I'd like to understand why.

I think you mean white 35.

And, yes, one of the decisions we frequently have to make is whether the offense is displacing the defense, or whether the defense is simply giving ground.

[mutantducky]

first video no foul, but whatever not really a controversial play and those happen.
Second one is the classic case of the ref anticipating the foul because the defender got up in the air, only problem was the lack of a foul.

[ccrroo]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think you mean white 35.

And, yes, one of the decisions we frequently have to make is whether the offense is displacing the defense, or whether the defense is simply giving ground.

My bad. I meant W35.

I'm assuming in this case the official thought the defense was giving ground. So the defense doesn't have to do anything but play it exactly as he did.
Then the ref decides displacing or giving?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by APG

And?

Yup. That's a foul. The defender left his feet and moved significantly forward towards the shooter -- smart play by the shooter to draw the foul.

The overhead shot shows that #1 is probably a miss, but it's still not the look the L had, so who knows what he saw?

[Camron Rust]

I think both were fine as called.

In the first, it looks like he may have hit the arm as must if not more than the ball. The lead was in perfect position to see it. The camera wasn't.

In the second, the defender never stopped moving towards the shooter. I though it was not a foul from one angle but, as Bad Zebra said, another showed he was moving towards the shooter.

[La Rikardo]

First play: I'll defer to the calling official's angle on the play.

Second play: I hate plays like this where a player hesitates when taking a 3 and then jumps into the airborne defender but I think in this case, unfortunately, it's a foul.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

First play: I'll defer to the calling official's angle on the play.

Second play: I hate plays like this where a player hesitates when taking a 3 and then jumps into the airborne defender but I think in this case, unfortunately, it's a foul.

I'm not going to reward an offensive player for jumping into a defender.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm not going to reward an offensive player for jumping into a defender.

the foul was on the player behind A1.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

the file was on the player behind A1.

So did B3 have the emery board?

[paulsonj72]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So did B3 have the emery board?

Sick reference. And yes I remember it. I actually was watching the game that night when it happened all those years ago. And remembering it takes me back to my younger years.