Baylor @ OK State Block/Charge (Video)
 

17:59 in 2nd half.

Block/charge/travel play.

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One could also discuss whether under NCAA-M interpretation, whether this should have been in the act of shooting. Should the center have provided information to the calling official (assuming he had any)? Would you give that information to the calling official if you were in the C's position (assuming you had it before the act)?

The pivot foot returns to the floor before the ball is released.

Right foot pivot. Never comes back down.

Holding the ball in two hands with the left foot on the floor outside the 3 point line.

only if he asked

Would time and score change your opinion? I'm also guessing who your assignor is would change that as well?

Agree....he has the ball in both hands with it above his head with his left foot still on the ground. Left foot is the pivot. Travel.

But he was fouled first....and it was a block.

I thought it was a travel when first watching it, but the contact does happen before his left foot (Which was his pivot foot) comes back down to the floor.

Those that have a block...why? Not disagreeing yet, just interested in your reasoning.

Anyone think the Lead was too wide?

I have a charge on this play. Don't see what the defender did wrong.

He was still running up the court in transition, with players beside him. Where would you preferred he go? :confused:

BTW, I think it was a PC.

I think it is a PC foul too.

The Lead pulls up around the FT line extended and coasts the rest of the way to the endline. Would anyone rather see this play coming at them instead of looking at it from the side?

Even at full speed he wasn't going to make it to the endline in time to receive the play. He would have been putting on the brakes just as contact was occurring.

Exactly. Even the fastest guys get caught out sometimes and have to make a tough decision from a bad angle. I think if Lead was watching the defender the whole time then I think he would have had a charge even from his angle.

charge. That's good D.

Contact was mostly on the leg (thigh/knee) outside the frame of the defender's torso.

I have a charge on the play...defender is legal...offensive player tries to slip past the defender but fails.

Tough to see where the contact with defender was, looked like it might have been almost knee-to-knee.

But the travel is almost as easy as they get. Ridiculous to count that bucket.

Barely...I won't disagree. Real time, realistically, I'd probably consider the gather to be in the air, which makes the right foot the pivot.

Easy? That's a joke.

Nor I. PC for me.

What exactly was the call, though? The official signaled block, then pointed the other way? Announcer said "charge?"

Maybe my characterization was too strong. Its closer than I thought at first.

Still a travel though :D

I don't think he pointed the other way. He was merely counting the basket.

Block, count the basket

Block, count the basket. This is exactly why I changed my "and 1" mechanic last year, another official pointed out that it was too similar to an offensive foul signal.

I do believe I see a travel, but not before a PC.

To call a block and count the basket is incorrect imho.

He was using something similar to the NCAA-W score-the-goal signal (which I see a lot of men's officials use), as opposed to the by-the-book NCAA-M signal (not sure if I've actually ever seen someone use it outside of a HS or juco game) for that.

I wouldn't have been able to get that travel in real time.

I've got a PC foul.

If he calls a block, with the NCAA change to "upward motion" being the start of the shooting motion, this would be a foul before the shot.

I think the "travel" posts are in reference to the fact that by the time he released the shot he had traveled, so we shouldn't be counting the basket.

That's what I was saying. From the angle we have, it's difficult to make the block/charge call. With what we have, I thought it was a charge. But, as Cameron says, if the contact is mainly on the leg, it's a block.

That is not what the rule says. Nowhere does it say contact against a defender's leg is a block.

10-6-1: A player shall not.......impede the progress of an opponent by extending arm(s), shoulder(s), hip(s), or knee(s)........

And contact on a leg does not equal an extended knee.

It doesn't but it is the same effect. If the leg is outside the torso, it is not legal any more than the hip or the knee. Extending the leg comes with extending the knee unless the have some badly broken bones.

I called an illegal screen for that reason last week and HC was unhappy because he felt being stationary satisfied legality.

Me too. Player went right over the knee.