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Rich Sun Jan 25, 2015 05:49pm

Duke-UNC Women (Video)
 
Stopped on this game while looking for a game. It was either this or Illinois State and Northern Iowa.

4:54 first half. ESPN2.

Screen followed by a travel after the rebound.

The screen sent the UNC player into the front row. And Kantner was tapping her right leg...but it looked like the right foot dragged.

APG Mon Jan 26, 2015 07:57pm

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Raymond Mon Jan 26, 2015 08:07pm

I have an obvious illegal screen. But since I do not know NCAA-Women's mechanics, I don't know whom to assess culpability for missing the foul. In the Men's game the Lead would been responsible for that play.

And I have a travel. That pivot was dragged more than an inch.

JRutledge Mon Jan 26, 2015 08:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 952294)
I have an obvious illegal screen. But since I do not know NCAA-Women's mechanics, I don't know whom to assess culpability for missing the foul. In the Men's game the Lead would been responsible for that play.

And I have a travel. That pivot was dragged more than an inch.

I have no idea what they were looking at. I also do not know those mechanics either but I could see that play a mile away. Even if their mechanics are not to have the lead call this normally, this has to be called. Not sure what the official was looking at from that position.

Funny guy. :D

Peace

mutantducky Mon Jan 26, 2015 09:04pm

should the lead have been out wider? where would you have been on that play?
I can see why if the lead is tracking the player from the side, then he misses the screener because his head turns at the same time.
trail is watching ball.
oh I see it, see the little girl(woman) she is posting up. The lead watches her for a split second.

MathReferee Mon Jan 26, 2015 09:27pm

That's the leads call but he was too focused on the 4' girl posting up on the opposite block. Tough play in that the ball is at the top of the key so T is occupied with that competitive matchup. C should have the post action and see the cutter coming across the paint at the free throw line. L should be on the screening action. It just appeared to me that the matchup in the post got the L's attention and he just flat missed the screen and no one else could have seen it. Good talking point about coverage areas in a pre game discussion, IMO.

It was a travel. C felt she held her pivot foot by her tapping the leg mechanic.

VaTerp Mon Jan 26, 2015 09:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 952310)
should the lead have been out wider? where would you have been on that play?
I can see why if the lead is tracking the player from the side, then he misses the screener because his head turns at the same time.
trail is watching ball.
oh I see it, see the little girl(woman) she is posting up. The lead watches her for a split second.

The Lead is closed down and positioning is fine. The mistake is not refereeing the competitive matchup right in front of him and focusing too much on the ball up top to see if he is going to rotate over.

crosscountry55 Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 952318)
The Lead is closed down and positioning is fine. The mistake is not refereeing the competitive matchup right in front of him and focusing too much on the ball up top to see if he is going to rotate over.

I tend to agree. The simple analysis is probably the correct analysis here: the L was ball-watching for a little bit instead of using his right peripheral to gauge whether or not to rotate.

We all get caught ball watching once in a while. Unfortunate miss but it happens. Great teaching points.

Rich Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 952326)
I tend to agree. The simple analysis is probably the correct analysis here: the L was ball-watching for a little bit instead of using his right peripheral to gauge whether or not to rotate.

We all get caught ball watching once in a while. Unfortunate miss but it happens. Great teaching points.

I don't ask for videos often, but thought this was a good one.

VaTerp Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 952327)
I don't ask for videos often, but thought this was a good one.

This is a good teaching video.

One of the things I've been trying to work on this season is staying in my primary while rotating as the lead. It's easy to get caught looking at where you are going or seeing where the ball is going as the L.

In this video I think if the L does a better job of staying in his primary he is better prepared to pick up the hard cutting action with a trailing defender AND seeing the illegal screen that sends the defender flying.

Referee24.7 Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:18am

It looks like the lead went off the play and just looked back real quick when he saw the end. . .

From trail, it seems that she caught the end of it and by then, she thought it was legal and letting the coach what she thought. . .

Looks illegal.


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