Slapping Backboard
 

... in an honest attempt to block a shot is a whole bunch of nothing, right?

Saw it in a frosh game, and the other team fans became unglued and the coach kept chirping for a long time . . . but it's nothing, right?

You are correct nothing.

NFHS 10-3-4:

A player shall not:

Illegally contact the backboard/ring by:

a. Placing a hand on the backboard or ring to gain an advantage.

b. Intentionally slapping or striking the backboard or causing the ring to vibrate while a try or tap is in flight or is touching the backboard or is in the basket or in the cylinder above the basket.

Honest attempt = Not a Technical, but you could potentially have BI

Take a look at Case Book play 10.3.4 SITUATION: A1 tries for a goal, and (a) B1 jumps and attempts to block the shot but instead slaps or strikes the backboard and the ball goes into the basket . . . RULING: In (a) legal and the basket counts.
(Situation (b) and the COMMENTS are of value to be studied - I don't have time right now to include them in this post.)

Yes -- but probably not under the code likely being used in the game.

Under NFHS, no you can not.

No, you can't.

You're right, I was thinking of the NCAA change

So in NFHS, if A1 tries a layup and B1 goes for a legit tomahawk block, misses, slaps backboard hard enough to vibrate the ring, and the try caroms off the (still vibrating) ring....

still nothing?

Nada

Edit: nothing but a sore hand

Who You Gonna Call ???
 

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A player cannot touch the ball, ring, or net while the ball is on the ring or within the basket. A player cannot touch the ball if it is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. These are examples of basket interference. It is legal to touch the ring or the net if the ball is above the ring and not touching the ring, even if the ball is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. It is legal to hang on the ring if a player is avoiding an injury to himself or herself or another player.

The backboard has nothing to do with goaltending. Goaltending is when a player touches the ball during a try, or tap, while it is in its downward flight, entirely above the basket ring level, and has the possibility of entering the basket. On most layups, the ball is going up after it contacts the backboard. It is legal to pin the ball against the backboard if it still on the way up and is not in the imaginary cylinder above the basket. Slapping the backboard is neither basket interference nor is it goaltending and points cannot be awarded. A player who strikes a backboard, during a tap, or a try, so forcefully that it cannot be ignored because it is an attempt to draw attention to the player, or a means of venting frustration, may be assessed a technical foul. When a player simply attempts to block a shot and accidentally slaps the backboard it is neither a violation nor is it a technical foul.

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Probably the same fans and coaches that scream for "over the back" fouls.

As for the fans... don't listen to them.

As for the coaches, just say "it's not a violation". Either he shuts up, or he's wrong.

What if my partner calls it?
 

I know that slapping the backboard is neither a technical foul or a violation.

I'm not certain what to do if my partner calls it. What if I'm the R? What if I'm the U/U1/U2?

I believe I should stop the game and have a brief conversation about it with my partner and hope that I can quickly change his mind and changes his call to an inadvertent whistle. Depending on his experience relative to mind would determine how much I would encourage him to change his call. I would tell him that we would discuss it at halftime or after the game. Of course, it would not be a correctable error at that point.

Does that seem like a reasonable approach?

It can be a technical foul in some circumstances (as addressed earlier in the thread). In NFHS, it cannot be a BI violation. So if your partner calls BI, I might go share the information I have if it appeared he/she called BI only because of the backboard slap. If you're not satisfied with the response, try to explain how that's not BI in NFHS in five seconds or less. If that doesn't sway him/her, just move on and talk about it later. No use having a clinic while everyone's waiting.

Again, as highlighted in the Gonzaga vs. BYU thread, slapping the backboard while the ball is in the cylinder can be a violation under NCAA rules. But don't call it that way in high school.

I'm not trying to make the case that it should be BI in NFHS. Just getting a feel for when, if ever, you guys would call a T for it.

Say B is leading by 2 pts. A1 releases the ball on a layup try with 3 secs remaining. The ball is rolling around the ring when B1 slaps the backboard, causing it to slightly vibrate. The ball falls off the ring as time expires.

Ruling?

First off, I think that we should make a case for it to be BI in NFHS. I realize the wording of the rule doesn't support that, but It's a rule change I'd be in favor of, to me it just makes sense. Just my thoughts on that-

As for your scenario, by your description, this would be a T from me. If the ball is rolling on the rim, then the player is not making a legitimate block attempt, because he can't. I'd have a T and shoot with cleared lane that will determine whether or not OT is necessary.

Technical foul on B1.

It's not basket interference, as touching the backboard while the ball is in the ring is not a violation. However, it is a tech for slapping the backboard without a legit reason for doing so (like following through while trying to block a shot).

And yes... it may be unfair for Team A, as they would have to hit the free throws instead of getting the two points for BI, but that's the rule. So go ahead with all the "it's an unfair strategy for Team B to use" stuff.

I can't imagine this being an actual strategy that anyone would attempt to employ, given the inconsistency of that act leading to a missed FG

It's not a strategy that would be used often cause I feel over 60-70 percent of officials would incorrectly (by NFHS rules) call it basket interference

Logic hasn't kept people from asking about things like this anyway.

+1. I hope the NCAA rule trickles down to NFHS like a lot of rules do, but I don't think tinkering with the BI rule would be a rules committee priority. They've got much more pressing business, like moderating fashion trends, adjusting free throw lane violation rules seemingly every year, and talking about intentional fouls that we don't call intentional fouls.