The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Basketball (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/)
-   -   Nebraska at Wisconsin (Video) (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/99067-nebraska-wisconsin-video.html)

JRutledge Thu Jan 15, 2015 09:38pm

Nebraska at Wisconsin (Video)
 
At 6:02 in first half on the clock there was a block/charge call where a Neb player was driving on in the middle of the lane there was a call made with both the Lead and the Center trying to signal. They made eye contact and the Lead called a block. Honestly I thought it was a charge, but that is why I am asking for video.

Peace

frezer11 Thu Jan 15, 2015 09:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 950530)
At 6:02 in first half on the clock there was a block/charge call where a Neb player was driving on in the middle of the lane there was a call made with both the Lead and the Center trying to signal. They made eye contact and the Lead called a block. Honestly I thought it was a charge, but that is why I am asking for video.

Peace

Watching that game live myself, announcers seemed to be sold on a block, "no question" I heard one say, but I thought it was pretty close

JRutledge Thu Jan 15, 2015 09:46pm

Second replay request.
 
Also there is a T right before the half on the head coach of Nebraska. He seemed to be complaining about a call and got a T. I would like to see the play in question and the T replay if possible. About 2.1 on the clock when that took place.

Peace

pfan1981 Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:40pm

Looked like a charge from my bar stool tonight after our game. :D

AremRed Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:10am

Charge for me. Surprised Bo Ryan didn't get whacked for his reaction.

grunewar Fri Jan 16, 2015 05:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 950533)
Also there is a T right before the half on the head coach of Nebraska. He seemed to be complaining about a call and got a T. I would like to see the play in question and the T replay if possible. About 2.1 on the clock when that took place.

Saw it too. Coach must have been chewing on the official pretty good, he was right there. Or of course, he said a "magic word."

WhistlesAndStripes Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 950530)
At 6:02 in first half on the clock there was a block/charge call where a Neb player was driving on in the middle of the lane there was a call made with both the Lead and the Center trying to signal. They made eye contact and the Lead called a block. Honestly I thought it was a charge, but that is why I am asking for video.

Peace

Actually, the other whistle came from the very low trail official.

Looks like a charge on the live action, but when they show the replay you can see the defender still moving sideways and I can understand the block call.

JRutledge Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:03am

It is legal to move sideways. And I do not recall that the shooter was airborne.

Peace

Rich Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 950563)
It is legal to move sideways. And I do not recall that the shooter was airborne.

Peace

I'd like to see officials stop thinking it's illegal to move laterally and still maintain LGP. No hope for the coaches, though.

APG Sun Jan 18, 2015 03:31am

Block/Charge:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/bMeND2_CW10" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Drive and T:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/i7poTXCCT7M" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

AremRed Sun Jan 18, 2015 05:33am

Play 1: Charge. Tech on Bo if you call a block though.

Play 2: Not enough information. Doesn't look good though.

Camron Rust Sun Jan 18, 2015 06:08am

#1. You might argue for a no-call if you felt the defender embellished (I don't) but there is nothing whatsoever in that play that makes it block if the rules are properly applied. That is a charge or nothing.

#2. The only thing I think he could be complaining about is the travel. I could be an all-star if I was allowed to travel like that. it was pretty egregiious. The shooter had stopped his dribble, jumped off of his right foot, landed on his right foot, followed by his left foot, then lifted the right foot and stepped with it again before shooting. Even if you judge that the right-left came down together, he still doesn't get to pivot again as he did. I wouldn't think that would be worth getting a T over, however. Was there something else he might have been complaining about?

APG Sun Jan 18, 2015 06:13am

I think the head coach is not arguing about any potential travel but rather he feels there was a push off with the forearm by the offensive player...at least that's what I see as evidence by what looks like a push off signal by the coach.

Camron Rust Sun Jan 18, 2015 06:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 950813)
I think the head coach is not arguing about any potential travel but rather he feels there was a push off with the forearm by the offensive player...at least that's what I see as evidence by what looks like a push off signal by the coach.

I guess I could see that but it really wasn't that much. I've seen a lot more let go, and didn't even notice it until you mentioned it. Hardly enough to complain so much that it draws a T.

Raymond Sun Jan 18, 2015 09:52am

1) proper mechanics, but wrong call. Defender had LGP.

2) Not sure ehat we are debating.

Camron Rust Sun Jan 18, 2015 01:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 950840)

2) Not sure ehat we are debating.

#2....I think we just trying to figure out what happened....what triggered the coach's action that drew the T. It certainly isn't clear.

JRutledge Sun Jan 18, 2015 01:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 950840)
2) Not sure ehat we are debating.

I did want the play posted for two reasons. Did the official call a T properly in that situation (which I have no problem with). Or maybe we could figure out if the coach had a beef about something that was not called to his liking?

The commentators tried to suggest that a T was not good in that situation and the official should have walked away. I disagree with that opinion and think coaches need to behave even when they think they are right.

Peace

MathReferee Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:50am

#2 It appears to me that he was arguing something before the play even started. There was a brief point to something beyond the basket (foul count ;) ) and then continued the argument through the play and afterward.

JugglingReferee Mon Jan 19, 2015 08:28am

Definitely a PC. Kicked call by the L.

The coach was talking to the T before hand, and stopped only for a second during that whole play. The T responded. The HC kept going again. The T may have been for ABS or a magic word/phrase. The play was going the other way and the red HC knew that the T was leaving to cover the last play - maybe he wanted a last word in.

I can see someone complaining about the offensive contact as well as the footwork, but I don't think this coach was doing that.

AremRed Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:05pm

The second video doesn't show the whole coach/official interaction. The official was talking to the coach about a play on the other end previous to this possession, when Trail initially comes into the FC the coach is talking to him already.

twocentsworth Mon Jan 19, 2015 03:23pm

1) That's a charge.
2) Kaminsky traveled as he began his drive into the lane. The Nebraska coach is known to be a "whiner" and I'm sure this was an "ABS" Technical called by the new Lead....in and of itself, it wouldn't be enough to warrant a T from me (unless of course "magic words" were used OR a previous warning had been issued).

Altor Mon Jan 19, 2015 03:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 951092)
The play was going the other way and the red HC knew that the T was leaving to cover the last play - maybe he wanted a last word in.

Whatever it was he said last, he also pointed right at the T (new L) when we said it. Likely a 'magic word.'


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:50am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1