Most points scored by 1 player on 1 play - 10/15/other?

[luvhoops]

Under NFHS rules, what are the most points that can be theoretically scored by one player on a single basketball play? Exclude repeated technical/intentional/flagrant fouls.

I was using Case book from 2008-2009. (case plays listed may be different in current books)

Based on (Multiple Foul) Case 4.19.11, it could be 10.
B1-B5 simultaneously foul A1 attempting an unsuccessful 3-point shot?
2x5 = 10

Based on (False Multiple Foul) Case 4.19.12, it could be 15.
B1-B5 foul A1, all at different times, attempting an unsuccessful 3-point shot?
3x5 = 15

For False Multiple Fouls, if it is always and only 2 shots for each foul, then it would be 10 and not 15.

Please confirm or disprove these thoughts. Looking for rule/case references only, not stuff like whether it could happen or anything along those lines.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by luvhoops

Under NFHS rules, what are the most points that can be theoretically scored by one player on a single basketball play? Exclude repeated technical/intentional/flagrant fouls.

I was using Case book from 2008-2009. (case plays listed may be different in current books)

Based on (Multiple Foul) Case 4.19.11, it could be 10.
B1-B5 simultaneously foul A1 attempting an unsuccessful 3-point shot?
2x5 = 10

Based on (False Multiple Foul) Case 4.19.12, it could be 15.
B1-B5 foul A1, all at different times, attempting an unsuccessful 3-point shot?
3x5 = 15

For False Multiple Fouls, if it is always and only 2 shots for each foul, then it would be 10 and not 15.

Please confirm or disprove these thoughts. Looking for rule/case references only, not stuff like whether it could happen or anything along those lines.

You seem to be mis-reading the Case play. If the 3-point shot is successful, the offended player gets 1 shot for each foul, and that could yield 5 points.

And if the 3-point shot is unsuccessful, the offended player gets 2 free throws for each foul, which could yield 4 points.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

You seem to be mis-reading the Case play. If the 3-point shot is successful, the offended player gets 1 shot for each foul, and that could yield 5 points.

And if the 3-point shot is unsuccessful, the offended player gets 2 free throws for each foul, which could yield 4 points.

he is in outer space. he is telling you all players on B, B1-B5, fouled a 3 point shooter…..

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by BigCat

he is in outer space. he is telling you all players on B, B1-B5, fouled a 3 point shooter…..

Thanks, I was seeing it as B1 and B5, not all 5 opponents on the floor. What was that Cartoon movie - Space Jam? . . .

[mutantducky]

I liked that movie. Good cheesey fun.

[mutantducky]

has anyone ever seen anything like that? I've never seen a ref call multiple fouls on a shot(of the d) even though it does happen.

I'm confused. How would it be 10fts? If two fouls on a three point shot, then three fts for each? So that equals 6. If the player made the three point shot, then fts for each foul? That equals 5.

[bob jenkins]

If it's all during the try, it's going to be viewed as approximately the same time. 10 FTs max

[luvhoops]

The cases were cited for mere reference. Why is everyone freaking out? In my question I used the word "theoretically."

As usual on this site, no one can give a clear answer. I was only looking for a number followed by a rule/case citation, nothing more. Even bob jenkins had to add "..its going to be viewed.." How it is viewed is irrelevant given what actually happened. I specifically went out of the way to say "not stuff like whether it could happen or anything along those lines." and it didn't matter. One person even called it "pointless" but yet posted, lol.

[La Rikardo]

Situation: With just a few seconds remaining in the fourth quarter, B leads A by a score of 109 to 20. A1 attempts a three-point try, which is unsuccessful. While A1 is in the act of shooting, players B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5 commit a personal foul against A1 at approximately the same time. The clock is stopped with 0.5 seconds remaining. B's head coach, unhappy with the call, disrespectfully addresses an official and is charged with an unsporting technical foul. B's head coach disrespectfully addresses an official a second time and is charged with a second unsporting technical foul. Players B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5 each disrespectfully address an official two times and are each charged with two unsporting technical fouls. Bench personnel B6, B7, B8, B9, B10, B11, B12, B13, B14, as well as four of the team's five assistant coaches, disrespectfully address an official two times apiece and are each charged with two unsporting technical fouls. B's head coach; players B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5; and bench personnel B6, B7, B8, B9, B10, B11, B12, B13, B14, and the four assistant coaches who had been charged with two unsporting technical fouls are all disqualified. The other two bench personnel, B15 and the other assistant coach, disrespectfully address an official once and are each charged with one unsporting technical foul.

Ruling: This is a false multiple foul consisting of a multiple foul and several technical fouls. All awarded free throws will be shot with no players in marked lane spaces. A1 is awarded ten free throws for the multiple foul by B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5. After these free throws, any player or eligible substitute for A may shoot any or all of the 80 free throws awarded for the 40 technical fouls charged to B players and bench personnel. A will then be awarded a throw-in at the division line. The only B team member remaining is B15. B shall forfeit the game unless the referee believes B has an opportunity to win the game.

[luvhoops]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

Situation: With just a few seconds remaining in the fourth quarter, B leads A by a score of 109 to 20. A1 attempts a three-point try, which is unsuccessful. While A1 is in the act of shooting, players B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5 commit a personal foul against A1 at approximately the same time. The clock is stopped with 0.5 seconds remaining. B's head coach, unhappy with the call, disrespectfully addresses an official and is charged with an unsporting technical foul. B's head coach disrespectfully addresses an official a second time and is charged with a second unsporting technical foul. Players B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5 each disrespectfully address an official two times and are each charged with two unsporting technical fouls. Bench personnel B6, B7, B8, B9, B10, B11, B12, B13, B14, as well as four of the team's five assistant coaches, disrespectfully address an official two times apiece and are each charged with two unsporting technical fouls. B's head coach; players B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5; and bench personnel B6, B7, B8, B9, B10, B11, B12, B13, B14, and the four assistant coaches who had been charged with two unsporting technical fouls are all disqualified. The other two bench personnel, B15 and the other assistant coach, disrespectfully address an official once and are each charged with one unsporting technical foul.

Ruling: This is a false multiple foul consisting of a multiple foul and several technical fouls. All awarded free throws will be shot with no players in marked lane spaces. A1 is awarded ten free throws for the multiple foul by B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5. After these free throws, any player or eligible substitute for A may shoot any or all of the 80 free throws awarded for the 40 technical fouls charged to B players and bench personnel. A will then be awarded a throw-in at the division line. The only B team member remaining is B15. B shall forfeit the game unless the referee believes B has an opportunity to win the game.

Original post indicated no Technical Fouls. Sigh.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by luvhoops

Even bob jenkins had to add "..its going to be viewed.." How it is viewed is irrelevant given what actually happened.

Incorrect. How it's viewed is very relevant to this play, and it's clear. It's NOT a false multiple foul (that would be separate "plays" if I understand what you are asking), but it is a multiple foul. 10 FTs max.

[luvhoops]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Incorrect. How it's viewed is very relevant to this play, and it's clear. It's NOT a false multiple foul (that would be separate "plays" if I understand what you are asking), but it is a multiple foul. 10 FTs max.

You originally stated "If it's all during the try..." You used a pronoun but there were two plays, both being different. Each play had exactly what actually happened, not how it was viewed.

The first case/play is indeed a multiple foul according to the case book.

The second case/play is indeed a false multiple foul according to the case book.

So, not sure what you meant by "it." So frustrating. Pronouns should be outlawed, lol.

Originally Posted by luvhoops

Under NFHS rules, what are the most points that can be theoretically scored by one player on a single basketball play? Exclude repeated technical/intentional/flagrant fouls.

I was using Case book from 2008-2009. (case plays listed may be different in current books)

Based on (Multiple Foul) Case 4.19.11, it could be 10.
B1-B5 simultaneously foul A1 attempting an unsuccessful 3-point shot?
2x5 = 10

Based on (False Multiple Foul) Case 4.19.12, it could be 15.
B1-B5 foul A1, all at different times, attempting an unsuccessful 3-point shot?
3x5 = 15

For False Multiple Fouls, if it is always and only 2 shots for each foul, then it would be 10 and not 15.

Please confirm or disprove these thoughts. Looking for rule/case references only, not stuff like whether it could happen or anything along those lines.

I will confirm the multiple foul situation. In fact I'm gonna tell that as a joke at my coaches meeting tomorrow as a joke. I'll let you know how it goes.

[luvhoops]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I will confirm the multiple foul situation. In fact I'm gonna tell that as a joke at my coaches meeting tomorrow as a joke. I'll let you know how it goes.

Now you know the source of the question, a trivia question asked at a meeting.


It is simple:

1) In one act/motion, A1 attempts an unsuccessful 3-point shot and is fouled by 5 defenders AT THE SAME TIME. How many points can theoretically be scored?

2) In one act/motion, A1 attempts an unsuccessful 3-point shot and is fouled by 5 defenders AT DIFFERENT TIMES. How many points can theoretically be scored?

Those are the plays. There is nothing more to add. There are no viewpoints, technical fouls, or any other information and we are not in space.

Who can simply provide a number and a case/rule as an answer?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by luvhoops

Now you know the source of the question, a trivia question asked at a meeting.


It is simple:

1) In one act/motion, A1 attempts an unsuccessful 3-point shot and is fouled by 5 defenders AT THE SAME TIME. How many points can theoretically be scored?

2) In one act/motion, A1 attempts an unsuccessful 3-point shot and is fouled by 5 defenders AT DIFFERENT TIMES. How many points can theoretically be scored?

Those are the plays. There is nothing more to add. There are no viewpoints, technical fouls, or any other information and we are not in space.

Who can simply provide a number and a case/rule as an answer?

The rule on multiple fouls says "AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME"

All fouls during the second play will be "AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME". So, the second play is not a False Multiple Foul play; the second play is a Multiple Foul play.

The first play is also a Multiple Foul play.

So, both plays are adjudicated the same. 10 FTs.