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just another ref Mon Jan 05, 2015 03:04pm

New Study Guide/Test Questions
 
I just got a call from my assignment secretary. The head state guy had called him and they're wanting to make a new study guide for next year. This will be a list of true/false questions (I don't know how many) to be used for study and then a portion of which will be randomly selected for the test. Each association has been asked to submit 10 questions, and he offered the task to me, which I accepted. I find this flattering, and needless to say, this board gets a large portion of the credit. I asked how obscure we wanted to be with the questions, and was told to not try for the once in a lifetime situations, but rather just things that not just anybody off the street could answer.

So, having said all that, if anybody has a suggestion for just such a question, I would certainly give it my full attention.

Thanks again, guys. To everybody here, whether we get along or not, it wouldn't be the same without you.
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Raymond Mon Jan 05, 2015 03:06pm

So there will be a question about spin moves? :D

just another ref Mon Jan 05, 2015 03:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 948753)
So there will be a question about spin moves? :D


You write it up for us and I'll see what I can do.

ref3808 Mon Jan 05, 2015 03:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 948753)
So there will be a question about spin moves? :D

Or the Euro Step?

just another ref Mon Jan 05, 2015 03:36pm

I've got the first one already.


There is no such thing as a blarge.

true

just another ref Mon Jan 05, 2015 03:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 948756)
Or the Euro Step?


I actually don't even know what that is. seriously

I'm pretty sure it is a term used to complain when a travel is called. You know, like a "crab dribble." (only heard that one the one time)

ref3808 Mon Jan 05, 2015 07:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 948759)
I actually don't even know what that is. seriously

I'm pretty sure it is a term used to complain when a travel is called. You know, like a "crab dribble." (only heard that one the one time)

Our interpreter at last night's board meeting when referring to the Euro Step said basically that there is no such thing.

Unicorns and the Euro Step ... they don't exist.

Nevadaref Mon Jan 05, 2015 08:06pm

True/False A defender needs to be stationary ("set") to take a charge.

How about wording it like that?

just another ref Mon Jan 05, 2015 08:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 948805)
True/False A defender needs to be set to take a charge.

I was already thinking along those lines. Would it be better to use stationary instead of set? Set might mean different things to different people. "No he has to set his feet first to have LGP. After that he can move."


Also, young officials when they first learn the term LGP, think that it is the key to everything.

True or False It is impossible for A1 to commit a player control foul on B1 if B1 does not have legal guarding position.

Nevadaref Mon Jan 05, 2015 08:21pm

See my edited post above.

just another ref Mon Jan 05, 2015 08:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 948813)
See my edited post above.

Good. I would like to see more simple, one line questions like this one.

just another ref Mon Jan 05, 2015 09:08pm

Gonna go with this one, which I've seen done incorrectly 3 or 4 times at the varsity level this year.

A1's errant pass is chased into the backcourt by A2, who recovers it at the free throw line. Ruling: B's ball at the division line.

Nevadaref Mon Jan 05, 2015 09:12pm

True/False When resuming play with a throw-in, the rules pertaining to ten seconds in the backcourt, three seconds in the free throw lane, and backcourt violations do not apply until after an inbounds player secures control of the ball.

just another ref Mon Jan 05, 2015 09:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 948825)
True/False When resuming play with a throw-in, the rules pertaining to ten seconds in the backcourt, three seconds in the free throw lane, and backcourt violations do not apply until after an inbounds player secures control of the ball.


This is good. I believe this question was on the guide last year with the exception that it said these things didn't apply during the throw-in.
Important to know that this is also true.

just another ref Mon Jan 05, 2015 09:42pm

Some will probably enjoy seeing this in black and white:

True or false: By rule, the team members in uniform on the bench and the assistant coach are subject to the same restrictions on behavior.

AremRed Tue Jan 06, 2015 01:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 948756)
Or the Euro Step?

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 948759)
I actually don't even know what that is. seriously

I'm pretty sure it is a term used to complain when a travel is called. You know, like a "crab dribble." (only heard that one the one time)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 948786)
Our interpreter at last night's board meeting when referring to the Euro Step said basically that there is no such thing.

Unicorns and the Euro Step ... they don't exist.

The Euro step describes an action where an offensive player dekes left (or right) but then steps the other direction to get around a defender, who may or may not be trying to take a charge. This move is typically done in a 1 on 1 situation to beat a defender and result in a layup or dunk attempt.

It is a thing, and its legality depends (as always) on when the player gathers the ball and establishes his pivot foot. The Euro step is colloquially used by players and coaches alike to describe an illegal action which they saw in an NBA game and assumed was legal at their level as well. Here is an excellent video documenting the Euro step.

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 948824)
Gonna go with this one, which I've seen done incorrectly 3 or 4 times at the varsity level this year.

A1's errant pass is chased into the backcourt by A2, who recovers it at the free throw line. Ruling: B's ball at the division line.

I don't know about you guys but I prefer True/False questions where the entire question is true or false, not simply part of the question is false. I think that this question might confuse some officials into thinking this is legal.

just another ref Tue Jan 06, 2015 01:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 948871)

I don't know about you guys but I prefer True/False questions where the entire question is true or false, not simply part of the question is false. I think that this question might confuse some officials into thinking this is legal.

I'm not following you here. What changes to the question are you suggesting? I think any varsity official who is confused by any part of this question deserves to miss it.

La Rikardo Tue Jan 06, 2015 01:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 948825)
True/False When resuming play with a throw-in, the rules pertaining to ten seconds in the backcourt, three seconds in the free throw lane, and backcourt violations do not apply until after an inbounds player secures control of the ball.

I made an incorrect BC call off a throw-in earlier this season and didn't realize it was wrong until discussing it with you and another forum contributor offline. I'm totally fine with calling it the correct way, but I still stand by my assertion that, by 4-12-2-d (team control begins when a player has disposal of the ball on a throw-in), 4-12-3 (none of the events that would cause team control to end have occurred), and 9-9-1 (last touched by A in FC, first touched by A in BC, ball has been in TC the whole time by the last two rules), the rules actually imply that a throw-in by A touched by an A player with FC status which is then first touched in the BC by an A player constitutes a violation. This could be a very easy fix if 9-9-1 is amended to read "...after it has been in team and player control in the frontcourt."

just another ref Tue Jan 06, 2015 01:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 948884)
I made an incorrect BC call off a throw-in earlier this season and didn't realize it was wrong until discussing it with you and another forum contributor offline. I'm totally fine with calling it the correct way, but I still stand by my assertion that, by 4-12-2-d (team control begins when a player has disposal of the ball on a throw-in), 4-12-3 (none of the events that would cause team control to end have occurred), and 9-9-1 (last touched by A in FC, first touched by A in BC, ball has been in TC the whole time by the last two rules), the rules actually imply that a throw-in by A touched by an A player with FC status which is then first touched in the BC by an A player constitutes a violation. This could be a very easy fix if 9-9-1 is amended to read "...after it has been in team and player control in the frontcourt."

It is well documented that the change to team control during the throw-in caused undesired ripples into other rules. I believe 4.12.2 SITUATION B (b) addresses what you mention above. Throw-in from end line, tipped into backcourt by A2, then recovered by A3, no violation, because team control was never established in(bounds) in the frontcourt.

Nevadaref Tue Jan 06, 2015 04:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 948884)
I made an incorrect BC call off a throw-in earlier this season and didn't realize it was wrong until discussing it with you and another forum contributor offline. I'm totally fine with calling it the correct way, but I still stand by my assertion that, by 4-12-2-d (team control begins when a player has disposal of the ball on a throw-in), 4-12-3 (none of the events that would cause team control to end have occurred), and 9-9-1 (last touched by A in FC, first touched by A in BC, ball has been in TC the whole time by the last two rules), the rules actually imply that a throw-in by A touched by an A player with FC status which is then first touched in the BC by an A player constitutes a violation. This could be a very easy fix if 9-9-1 is amended to read "...after it has been in team and player control in the frontcourt."

No, that wouldn't work because PLAYER control in the frontcourt is not necessary for a backcourt violation.

An example play: A1 is dribbling in the backcourt. He throws a pass to A2 who is standing in Team A's frontcourt. The ball strikes A2 in the shoulder and rebounds into the backcourt where A3 is the first to touch it.
Ruling: Backcourt violation

In fact, Team A doesn't even have to touch the ball in the frontcourt in order to violate. See rule 9-9-2 and swap an official for A2 in the above play for an example.

However, you are correct that the current text of the NFHS rules is flawed with respect to team control on throw-ins and backcourt violations. Unfortunately, it has been that way for a few years now. :(

Nevadaref Tue Jan 06, 2015 04:09am

Two more ?s for you
 
Endline running question:
After Team B scores, A1 secures the ball and steps out of bounds for the throw-in. B1 crosses the endline and fouls A1. True/False: Following the FTs for B1's intentional personal foul, Team A will retain the right to run the endline on the ensuing throw-in.

Team Control foul question:
A1 is dribbling in his backcourt when B1 bats the ball away. As A1 and B1 chase the loose ball, A1 commits a pushing foul against B1. True/False: This is a team control foul.

Nevadaref Tue Jan 06, 2015 04:15am

Fashion Police questions
 
If you want any fashion police questions:

1. True/False A player may legally wear a headband with the NBA logo.

2. True/False A player from the home team may legally wear gray tights.

3. True/False A player may wear an arm sleeve that is half white and half red.

BillyMac Tue Jan 06, 2015 07:29am

The Plot Thickens ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 948909)
True/False: A player from the home team may legally wear gray tights.

Riddle me this: What if the tights stop above the knee, are made of a compression type material, and the uniform shorts are gray?

Nevadaref Tue Jan 06, 2015 08:21am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 948913)
Riddle me this: What if the tights stop above the knee, are made of a compression type material, and the uniform shorts are gray?

Billy, don't needlessly confuse people.

Tights extend below the knee. Compression shorts do not.
Two different items. Very clearly stated in the rules.

BillyMac Tue Jan 06, 2015 04:10pm

I'll Take Rulebook, Or Casebook ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 948915)
Tights extend below the knee.

Citation please.

(I am already aware that the NFHS is looking into this inconsistency in the rules.)

Adam Tue Jan 06, 2015 04:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 948974)
Citation please.

(I am already aware that the NFHS is looking into this inconsistency in the rules.)

??
They're looking to create more inconsistency?

BillyMac Tue Jan 06, 2015 05:08pm

Short Tights Or Compression Shorts ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 948975)
They're looking to create more inconsistency?

I've been told by my local interpreter that Peter Webb, IAABO (International)Coordinator of Interpreters, who now has a role on the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee, will be working with the committee to determine the difference between short tights, and compression shorts. With tights now legal, references to compression shorts may be making an exit from the rulebook.

Nevadaref Tue Jan 06, 2015 06:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 948974)
Citation please.

(I am already aware that the NFHS is looking into this inconsistency in the rules.)

If you look at the comments on rules in the back of this year's rules book, you will see that the first mention of tights specifies that they extend below the knee and after that every use of the word tights carries this meaning as they are required to meet the same restrictions as leg sleeves.

just another ref Tue Jan 06, 2015 06:18pm

Take it to another thread please, Billy.

BillyMac Tue Jan 06, 2015 07:07pm

Always Listen To just another ref, Wait ??? Who ??? Nevermind ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 948999)
Take it to another thread please, Billy.

Done.

just another ref Wed Jan 07, 2015 01:42pm

I think this is the list I'm going to send. I tried to go with a combination of common misconceptions, things I have seen called incorrectly, and some "just cuz." If anybody sees any way this could be better, speak up.


1. A defender must be stationary to take a charge. False

2. It is not possible to commit a player control foul if the defender does not have legal guarding position. False

3. A1 throws a bad pass which goes into the backcourt. A2 chases it down and recovers the ball at the free throw line. Ruling: B's ball at the division line. False

4. A1 dribbles near the division line. B1 bats the ball which goes off the leg of A1 and into the backcourt, where it is recovered by A2. Ruling: Backcourt violation True

5. When resuming play with a throw-in, the rules pertaining to ten seconds in the backcourt, three seconds in the free throw lane, and backcourt violations do not apply until after an inbounds player secures control of the ball. True

6. An assistant coach is subject to the same conduct restrictions as team members in uniform on the bench. True

7. A1 is fouled by B1 as time expires in the first quarter. Before the free throws are shot, the head coach for B receives a technical foul. Ruling: A1 will shoot the one and one for the personal foul. Then any player from team A will shoot the technical foul. Team A will have a throw-in to start the second quarter which is not an AP throw-in. False

8. During a fast break, A1's pass is mishandled by A2. A2 bobbles the ball while taking several more steps. He then catches the ball and lays it up. Ruling: No violation, basket is good. True

9. When a player ends a dribble, if that player is starting a try, it changes the restrictions on his pivot foot. False

10. Jump ball to start the game. A1 takes a position near the sideline. Before the ball is tossed, A1 breaks toward the basket. Ruling: Violation False


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