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Freddy Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:58pm

"You Don't Say!"
 
Lake Superior State University annually publishes its list of words and phrases they figure should be banned from the English language. "Polar Vortex"..."Hack"..."Skill-Set"..."Polar Vortex" -- all qualified for suggested censorship for 2015, amongst others you're probably sick of, too.

What words and phrases all-too-commonly used/misused by fellow officials, coaches, players, fans would you like to see banned this year?

Freddy Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:59pm

I'll Start
 
Officials: "In my game, . . ."

Adam Thu Jan 01, 2015 01:22pm

For the kids

bob jenkins Thu Jan 01, 2015 01:23pm

"In my little corner"

jeremy341a Thu Jan 01, 2015 01:32pm

Definite knowledge. As you can not have definite knowledge of a continuous variable at any time other than when the clock is initially set.

Even if you have a count that is not definite knowledge of the exact time. Even if you seen the clock at 31.8 doesn't mean it wasn't 31.84.

SC Official Thu Jan 01, 2015 01:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 948336)
Officials: "In my game, . . ."

Officials have different personalities and different ways of handling situations, and as long as an official stays within the rules, there's nothing wrong with having different opinions on how things should be handled.

Some of mine...

"Over the back"
"Offensive foul"
"He wasn't set"
"He gets two steps"
"I can't make that call, coach, that's not my area"

Rich Thu Jan 01, 2015 01:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 948337)
For the kids

Absolutely right. Anytime I see that we mainly do this "for the kids" my eyes involuntarily roll.

bballref3966 Thu Jan 01, 2015 02:08pm

"He's just defending his guys."

"75% of these plays are blocks."

Camron Rust Thu Jan 01, 2015 02:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 948339)
Definite knowledge. As you can not have definite knowledge of a continuous variable at any time other than when the clock is initially set.

Even if you have a count that is not definite knowledge of the exact time. Even if you seen the clock at 31.8 doesn't mean it wasn't 31.84.

You seem to not understand the difference of definite and accurate/exact. You can very much have definite knowledge of a continuous variable but it may not be precise or accurate. We only are required to have definite knowledge, not accurate/exact knowledge.

Did you get to 4 on three different 5 counts? You definitely did regardless of how accurate that counts are.

crosscountry55 Thu Jan 01, 2015 02:29pm

Coaches: "Get him off!"

Players: "I was boxing out!"

Officials during captains' conference: "[Color] talk to [color], white talk to white." I think that's perhaps the most useless utterance in our profession.

Rich Thu Jan 01, 2015 02:41pm

"I was talking to my players..."

SC Official Thu Jan 01, 2015 02:45pm

"Who will be the speaking captain?"

"On the floor!"

rockyroad Thu Jan 01, 2015 02:46pm

"And 1!"

rockyroad Thu Jan 01, 2015 02:49pm

I know it's a different sport, but with all the Bowl games this time of year...I want to scream every time I hear one of these color commentators say:

"He dialed up..." followed by anything - a blitz, a long pass, a screen, whatever.

Mark Padgett Thu Jan 01, 2015 02:53pm

The phrase from a coach or player that should be punished with being slowly roasted over a fire is: "CALL IT BOTH WAYS".

jeremy341a Thu Jan 01, 2015 03:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 948347)
You seem to not understand the difference of definite and accurate/exact. You can very much have definite knowledge of a continuous variable but it may not be precise or accurate. We only are required to have definite knowledge, not accurate/exact knowledge.

Did you get to 4 on three different 5 counts? You definitely did regardless of how accurate that counts are.

Definition of definite.
1.
clearly defined or determined; not vague or general; fixed; precise; exact:
a definite quantity; definite directions.

I understand your point and I have no trouble with if you are at a 4 count being able to take 4 seconds off the clock even though 4 is an approximation. I feel that definite is not the correct term. You do have a definite count but not definite knowledge of how much time to take off. It is just semantics however I feel it could be worded better

Rob1968 Thu Jan 01, 2015 03:20pm

Redundant redundancy
 
Phrases such as, "there are 2 minutes left, to go, in the fourth quarter, of the game . . ."
How many times does an announcer need to say the same thing, in the same sentence? Duuhhhhh . . .

crosscountry55 Thu Jan 01, 2015 03:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 948353)
I know it's a different sport, but with all the Bowl games this time of year...I want to scream every time I hear one of these color commentators say:

"He dialed up..." followed by anything - a blitz, a long pass, a screen, whatever.

No kidding, not 30 seconds after I read this, an announcer for the Outback bowl said, "He dialed up a trick play and Wisconsin snuffed it out." You're right, that is a ridiculously overused phrase.

bainsey Thu Jan 01, 2015 04:48pm

"over the back foul"
"reaching foul"
"baseline" (unless you're talking about the backboard)

grunewar Thu Jan 01, 2015 05:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 948359)
You're right, that is a ridiculously overused phrase.

My all time, least favorite over-used phrase is 'Step Up.'

Lebron is injured and his replacement needs to 'step up' and replace him.

BillyMac Thu Jan 01, 2015 06:11pm

The Land Of Steady Habits ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 948338)
"In my little corner"

In my little corner of Connecticut, we seldom use this phrase.

Hugh Refner Thu Jan 01, 2015 06:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 948354)
The phrase from a coach or player that should be punished with being slowly roasted over a fire is: "CALL IT BOTH WAYS".

+ infinity

Camron Rust Thu Jan 01, 2015 06:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 948355)
Definition of definite.
1.
clearly defined or determined; not vague or general; fixed; precise; exact:
a definite quantity; definite directions.

I understand your point and I have no trouble with if you are at a 4 count being able to take 4 seconds off the clock even though 4 is an approximation. I feel that definite is not the correct term. You do have a definite count but not definite knowledge of how much time to take off. It is just semantics however I feel it could be worded better

Maybe not by Webster's but by the rule book definition it is.

JRutledge Thu Jan 01, 2015 07:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 948337)
For the kids

I cannot stand that crap either.

Peace

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Jan 02, 2015 01:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 948335)
Lake Superior State University annually publishes its list of words and phrases they figure should be banned from the English language. "Polar Vortex"..."Hack"..."Skill-Set"..."Polar Vortex" -- all qualified for suggested censorship for 2015, amongst others you're probably sick of, too.

What words and phrases all-too-commonly used/misused by fellow officials, coaches, players, fans would you like to see banned this year?


I am surprised the LSSU would want to ban the term "polar vortex" since is it a scientific term that describes an actual meteorological phenomenon that was discovered over 150 years ago. Banning the term "polar vortex" is like structural and mechanical engineers banning the terms "shear" and "shear diagram".

MTD, Sr.

AremRed Fri Jan 02, 2015 02:06am

Anything involving the word "belt".

BillyMac Fri Jan 02, 2015 07:31am

How About A Nice Hawaiian Punch ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 948405)
Anything involving the word "belt".

Agree.

Altor Fri Jan 02, 2015 09:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 948400)
I am surprised the LSSU would want to ban the term "polar vortex" since is it a scientific term that describes an actual meteorological phenomenon that was discovered over 150 years ago. Banning the term "polar vortex" is like structural and mechanical engineers banning the terms "shear" and "shear diagram".

MTD, Sr.

I don't think they want to ban terms that are being properly used in scientific vernacular. They want the average every day American to think about the words that are being used in every day language and make sure the use is accurate.

A few years ago "Gitmo" was on the list. That has been common shorthand used by the armed forces for decades to refer to the Naval base in Cuba. The problem was that news reporters and others were using that to reference "Camp X-Ray" which was only a small part of the base. Heck, people still want to "close Gitmo" when they really only want the prisoners released from the detention center.

Similarly, "Polar Vortex" was overused in 2014 to the point where every cold front that came through the midwest was a "polar vortex" according to some of my coworkers.

ballgame99 Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:29am

my vote goes toward "ball don't lie!"

I've even heard coaches say this after a missed free throw. The translation of this phrase is essentially "that referee made a terrible call, and you (shooter) missed that shot because you didn't deserve it in the first place."

jTheUmp Fri Jan 02, 2015 02:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 948417)
my vote goes toward "ball don't lie!"

I've even heard coaches say this after a missed free throw. The translation of this phrase is essentially "that referee made a terrible call, and you (shooter) missed that shot because you didn't deserve it in the first place."

Anyone else thinking of serving some T if a coach makes a comment like this? At the very least, coach is getting a stern warning from me.

Freddy Fri Jan 02, 2015 02:41pm

It's Gotta Be Lots Worse than That...Plus, He Might Be Right
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 948437)
Anyone else thinking of serving some T if a coach makes a comment like this? At the very least, coach is getting a stern warning from me.

Not "in my game".
:D

Adam Fri Jan 02, 2015 02:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 948437)
Anyone else thinking of serving some T if a coach makes a comment like this? At the very least, coach is getting a stern warning from me.

If I hear it more than once or twice, I'll address it.


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