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JRutledge Thu Jan 01, 2015 09:02pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 948376)
The try is over once it's clear that it cannot go in. There's a case (NFHS, anyway) that clearly states once a try drops below the rim and hits another player or the floor, the try is over.
4-41-4 says: "The try ends when the throw is successful, when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball is dead."

I do not see anything that says touching another player.

That being said, what if the basket was not as close to the rim and the ball would not have been called GT, but the ball is touched and goes in the basket in the same fashion as this play? I guess I am trying to think of what it mean by "clearly unsuccessful?"

Peace

bob jenkins Thu Jan 01, 2015 09:04pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 948365)
After a basket, the net gets caught up on the rim, unnoticed by the officials. After the subsequent inbound, there is a quick turnover, the ball comes back the other way, and a player takes a long, high arcing, jump shot. Maybe due to the caught up net, or maybe for some other reason, the ball enters the top of the rim, dead center, but eventually rattles out. What do we have?
No basket.

I don't agree with Nevada's paradox. It's not a basket until it passes through or until it becomes caught. If the ball enters the basket, time expires, and the ball *then* becomes caught, no goal.

just another ref Thu Jan 01, 2015 09:57pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 948380)
4-41-4 says: "The try ends when the throw is successful, when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball is dead."

I do not see anything that says touching another player.
If it has dropped below the rim it is certain that it is unsuccessful, whether it touches another player or not.

Quote:

That being said, what if the basket was not as close to the rim and the ball would not have been called GT, but the ball is touched and goes in the basket in the same fashion as this play? I guess I am trying to think of what it mean by "clearly unsuccessful?"

Peace
It would all be part of the same judgment. If the ball has no chance to go in, it can't be goaltending.

BillyMac Fri Jan 02, 2015 07:23am
I Realize That All Rules Aren't Fair ...
 
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 948381)
I don't agree with Nevada's paradox. If the ball enters the basket, time expires, and the ball *then* becomes caught, no goal.
How about ball enters basket, becomes caught, and then, time expires?

Doesn't seem fair to count that goal and not count a goal where the ball enters the basket, top of the ball is 95% past the bottom of the net, at the same time that time expires.

Posts from esteemed members regarding "successful" and "unsuccessful" (above) may solve help this problem, but I have to go to my day job, so I'll deal with it later.


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