Maryland/Michigan State crazy finish (Video)

[bballref3966]

Tough foul call at 2:07 in OT. Following the call, there was a delay as the official scorer had the Maryland player with five fouls, but everyone else had four. Crew stuck with the official scorer.

Technical foul on Mark Turgeon at 1:55 in OT after he went ballistic after a no-call foul or goaltend (?). It did not look like goaltending on replay.

Also in this game, there were three monitor reviews looking at two or three-point goals in question. Monitor reviews are out of control in college basketball.

[bballref3966]

Potential hanging on rim by Maryland just under three minutes in the second OT.

Dickie V was adamant that it should've been a T. I'm not so sure.

[SC Official]

I'm not sure how it works in college, but this is exactly why the scorers should sit close enough to each other where they can easily check their records every time a foul is called.

[mutantducky]

I hate Monitor reviews when they take so long or especially on out of bounds plays. I don't want to see it over and over again! Just move on right away rather then these 2min+breaks.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Potential hanging on rim by Maryland just under three minutes in the second OT.

Dickie V was adamant that it should've been a T. I'm not so sure.

Saw it on highlights. Completely agree: not a T, good no-call. The player hung a little, but he was turning around in the process to confirm no one was in his landing spot, and he didn't do a chin-up or any other garbage like that. Not sure what Dickie V saw there.

If you gave a marginal call like that to the home team while down three late in 2OT, you probably wouldn't deserve to be working that game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

If you gave a marginal call like that to the home team while down three late in 2OT, you probably wouldn't deserve to be working that game.

There are several words in this statement that are totally irrelevant to me as an official. I'm always thinking about whether a marginal play should be whistled, or not. I never think about any of the words highlighted in red. One word, in particular, stands out. I absolutely, positively, never consider whether a team is the home team, or is a team on the road, in making any of my calls. It's just not the way that I roll.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

There are several words in this statement that are totally irrelevant to me as an official. I'm always thinking about whether a marginal play should be whistled, or not. I never think about any of the words highlighted in red. It's just not the way that I roll.

Eh, the only irrelevant part is the "home team" thing. Sometimes managing a game is like a mental calculus -- being consistent with your earlier calls, not blowing marginal stuff in close games, refereeing the PoE's, etc. I'm sure guys who work that level are thinking about that stuff.

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Tough foul call at 2:07 in OT. Following the call, there was a delay as the official scorer had the Maryland player with five fouls, but everyone else had four. Crew stuck with the official scorer.

Technical foul on Mark Turgeon at 1:55 in OT after he went ballistic after a no-call foul or goaltend (?). It did not look like goaltending on replay.

Also in this game, there were three monitor reviews looking at two or three-point goals in question. Monitor reviews are out of control in college basketball.

I think the foul at 2:07 in the 2nd overtime was marginal. The calling official did have a late whistle which looked bad.

Not goaltending. Good tech.

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Potential hanging on rim by Maryland just under three minutes in the second OT.

Dickie V was adamant that it should've been a T. I'm not so sure.

Not a T, player didn't know if there was a defender behind him.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Sometimes managing a game is like a mental calculus.

Knowing who's up, or who's down, and by how much, helps me anticipate the plays (fouls to stop clock, three point shot needed, time out to stop clock, foul to give, etc.), not the calls.

[Sharpshooternes]

I know its the holidays and am appreciative of the video gurus, but do you think we can see the plays?

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I'm not sure how it works in college, but this is exactly why the scorers should sit close enough to each other where they can easily check their records every time a foul is called.

In college there's only one book. The NCAA version has spaces to record the times of every foul and basket, which would come in handy in this case.

I don't know if the officials would be allowed to check here, but there will also be someone at the table entering the play-by-play into the program that produces the official statistics.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Saw it on highlights. Completely agree: not a T, good no-call. The player hung a little, but he was turning around in the process to confirm no one was in his landing spot, and he didn't do a chin-up or any other garbage like that. Not sure what Dickie V saw there.

If you gave a marginal call like that to the home team while down three late in 2OT, you probably wouldn't deserve to be working that game.

To either team.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

In college there's only one book. The NCAA version has spaces to record the times of every foul and basket, which would come in handy in this case.

Some scorers don't always fill in the time or the number of the player in those boxes, though. I always tried to do so when we were on the road and I was the unofficial scorer.

I don't know if the officials would be allowed to check here, but there will also be someone at the table entering the play-by-play into the program that produces the official statistics.

When I was still a statistician, there were a couple of times where I offered the current time listed in my statistics software when the time was incorrect or the scoreboard reset itself. if I recall, the officials conferred with each other before going ahead with using that time, but I believe it can be used as definite knowledge, provided the software's clock is updated in real time.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

I don't know if the officials would be allowed to check here, but there will also be someone at the table entering the play-by-play into the program that produces the official statistics.

Yes, we can. I've done it on inadvertent shot-clock resets more than a few times. One of my supervisors advises us to use every method available - within the rules - to get a play/call/rule right.

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Tough foul call at 2:07 in OT. Following the call, there was a delay as the official scorer had the Maryland player with five fouls, but everyone else had four. Crew stuck with the official scorer.

Technical foul on Mark Turgeon at 1:55 in OT after he went ballistic after a no-call foul or goaltend (?). It did not look like goaltending on replay.

Also in this game, there were three monitor reviews looking at two or three-point goals in question. Monitor reviews are out of control in college basketball.

One of those reviews involved one of the officials coming across the court to ask the ESPN guys if they had any other views available. The whole encounter was on-air.