Originally Posted by Adam (Post 948214)

Where did you get 3 seconds?

Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 948256)

I was giving an example. If I was observing the player with the ball, and he held the ball for 3 seconds but wasn't closely guarded, then I'm not going to have a visible count, but I still know that he was guarded for 3 seconds and I could still use that information to correct a timing mistake. For someone to suggest that that would only be a "guess" because there was no visible count is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 948263)

I never suggested that. I don't happen to agree that a visible count is necessary: that's a legitimate point of contention.

If you have a mental count, that's enough. If you're not counting in your head, though, that's not definite knowledge: it's a guess.

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 948191)

If I don't have a count, I'm not doing anything, because I don't have enough information.

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 948178)

Can't use a three second count to take time off the clock, it must be a visible count.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 948183)

I agree. Any count which is going to be used to remove time needs to be a visible count in this age of video. I'm not getting called in later to defend a mental count. The arm swings will show up on the video.

Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 948266)

I apologize. I misread your statement below to mean a visible count.




However, it was suggested by others that a visible count is required.

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 948268)

Time is a very subjective measure and one persons count can be much slower or faster than what a clock would measure.

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 948268)

Our association wants a visible count to be used. Time is a very subjective measure and one persons count can be much slower or faster than what a clock would measure.

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 948285)

The rulebook says very little about visible counts and what counts as "definite knowledge", how do you guys define that?

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 948219)

Are you kidding me? You chose to ignore fouls just because you had a blarge?? Why didn't you report BOTH fouls? And then get to the locker room at halftime or after the game and discuss with your partner the theories of PRIMARY AREAS and PATIENT WHISTLES?!?

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 948293)

As far as using a visible count at the end of the quarter, I don't. I don't feel the need to prove it to anybody, and what if the guy with the ball sees it and wrongly assumes it's a closely guarded count.

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 948295)

If I'm going to do something no one in the gym has likely ever seen happen, I just prefer to have as much back-up as possible.

Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 948203)

I don't always go by the rulebook if a situation doesn't call for it. (Of course 99.9% of the times you should!!!) I had one of my first blarge calls earlier this season, and just called both coaches over who saw that the play could have gone either way. The game was running well and we just told them instead of working that out we will just say two( ha) inadvertent whistles and did POI. Both coaches were good with it as both wanted to avoid fouls on their key players involved in the play. Quick clear-up and things worked out well after. Yes, normally I would call it by the book here, but this was a game with good coaches and players where it could have been avoided without the blarge mess.