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biggravy Thu Dec 11, 2014 02:32am

Video request: South Dakota at Creighton 21.8 left in regulation
 
Block/Charge call worthy of some discussion.

Raymond Thu Dec 11, 2014 09:10am

I think it helps our video gurus if you give them a network.

biggravy Thu Dec 11, 2014 04:02pm

Did not know that. Fox Sports. Midwest I think... Thanks!

jeschmit Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:03am

For the record, I don't need to know the network the games are on, just the two teams and times for the plays. I don't know about the other video "gurus" around though...

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AremRed Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:09am

I've got a charge but you'll see this play called a block almost every time.

Camron Rust Fri Dec 12, 2014 04:02am

Another charge incorrectly called.

Smitty Fri Dec 12, 2014 08:02am

Looked like a charge until the last replay - then it looked like a great block call. Not sure how you call this a charge.

AremRed Fri Dec 12, 2014 08:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 946578)
Looked like a charge until the last replay - then it looked like a great block call. Not sure how you call this a charge.

Did the defender establish LGP?

Smitty Fri Dec 12, 2014 08:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 946579)
Did the defender establish LGP?

The defender moved into the dribbler. He was not legal when the contact occurred.

AremRed Fri Dec 12, 2014 08:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 946581)
The defender moved into the dribbler. He was not legal when the contact occurred.

I'm not seeing that, I see lateral movement to maintain initial LGP.

Raymond Fri Dec 12, 2014 08:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 946581)
The defender moved into the dribbler. He was not legal when the contact occurred.

I see the same thing. I have him moving forward with his left leg/knee.

SCRef1983 Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 946590)
I see the same thing. I have him moving forward with his left leg/knee.

I agree. Block

Rob1968 Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:19am

The slight flexing of his knee, as he moves laterally, is inherent in normal movement. I see the contact coming on the torso of the defender, not the knee, and would call this a charge/PC. JMHO

walt Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:31am

I am in the block camp here especially with the last angle.

mutantducky Fri Dec 12, 2014 01:03pm

charge. seemed everything the defender did was normal but again that is a tough call.

ref3808 Fri Dec 12, 2014 08:50pm

I was all set to weigh in with a PC until the last replay which convinced me that it was a great block call.

mutantducky Fri Dec 12, 2014 09:20pm

you convinced me. that last one makes it look more like a block. Man, that's a tough one though depending on the angle.

Sharpshooternes Mon Dec 15, 2014 08:36am

There is zero forward movement at the point of contact. The defender is moving obliquely (back and to the side) and more back than anything. LGP established. Offense has nothing (not head and shoulders) beyond the defender. Contact practically square in the chest. PC. That first angle shows him coming forward, then moving back, then contact. I really don't see what you Block people are loocking at.

Pantherdreams Mon Dec 15, 2014 08:48am

PC.

Not sure what is being seen that would make it a block.

Welpe Mon Dec 15, 2014 09:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 946582)
I'm not seeing that, I see lateral movement to maintain initial LGP.

Same here.

Nevadaref Mon Dec 15, 2014 04:02pm

The ball handler does not go airborne. He remains in contact with court up to and through the time of contact with the opponent. Therefore, the defender is legally allowed to move in any direction except forward and be moving at the time of the contact. This is a PC foul.
Those stating block either must judge there was forward movement by the defender or are confusing the situation with guarding an airborne player.

Raymond Mon Dec 15, 2014 04:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 946949)
...
Those stating block either must judge there was forward movement by the defender...

That's was my reasoning.

riverfalls57 Mon Dec 15, 2014 04:48pm

I say PC, and not just because it's my friends son.


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