BYU USU block charge vid request
 

4:45 left in second half. Looks like the L has a charge but the C is coming in with information. Again, not sure what the final call was but I have a block as it appears the defense was not standing on the RA but had heels over it.

Without seeing the play, heels over the RA=in the RA.

The final call was a block. If someone grabs the clip stay with it long enough to get the bench conduct in reaction to it.

I couldn't get the bench conduct reaction, but I was able to get the raw video that shows how the officials handled the situation (most of it anyways).

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The one problem with I have with this call is that the defender WAS the primary defender. A1 was the man whom he was guarding throughout the play.

RA block, good partner help and overturn. Curious why the new Lead went to the security guy and pointed someone out.

Excellent catch. He was the primary defender therefore the RA does not matter. I wonder how often this situation with the primary defender helping and then recovering comes into play. It would be rare for any one official to be watching these two players long enough to realize this was the case.

As BNR pointed out, RA should not be a factor in adjudicating this play as the defender is a primary defender. Therefore, this is not good partner help and the overturn is the wrong call.

Someone threw an object onto the court. Just before the official talks to the security guy, one of the players picks it up and tosses it off the court.

In newest NCAA-M video John Adams calls this play a block even if you don't think defender is in the RA. He thinks the defender is still moving forward.

GREAT PICKUP!! C was bringing info (which I don't mind) but L should have rebutted that it was a primary and still popped it. Plus the fact that he started inside the LDB means the RA is off.

there's no LDB in NCAAM

Didn't know that. Do NCAAW and thought they were the same. Always learning something new. Thanks.

I realize that the defender stepping up is the primary defender, but I don't think this should matter in this situation. Am I supposed to keep track of who is guarding who at all time??

Are you saying anybody who is in the RA should be a secondary defender? I'm just trying to figure out a line of delineation of when a primary defender becomes a secondary defender on the man he is guarding. If the defensive coach asks me why that wasn't the primary defender, I would not have a legitimate answer for him.

Hmmm...now I am wondering: If the defender leaves his man to go help out somewhere else, is he still a "primary" defender on the guy he left?

Over-thinking it???

Maybe I've misunderstood that rule. But just how big is the LDB in NCAAW? The drive started from the free throw line. So assuming that this were NCAAW and that the defender hadn't been moving forward at the time of contact and that whatever interesting stuff about secondary primary defenders didn't apply. Would this not be a block in NCAAW? I thought it went out to the second free throw space.

It does. I didn't go back and look at the play / drive when responding to the question.

Thing is I don't know when a primary defender becomes a secondary defender or vice versa. I would like to say that any player that starts inside the RA and tries to establish position outside the RA in order to draw a charge should be considered a secondary defender. Obviously there is some common sense involved, but perhaps there should be a distance requirement for maintaining primary defender status in relation to RA plays.

As Justice Potter Stewart says, "I know a secondary defender when I see one."

Help then comes back
 

I think he is a secondary defender. When he moves over to double team the player on the low block, then comes back he is a secondary defender in my opinion. Good call, good teamwork by crew.