BYU USU block charge vid request

[Raymond]

The one problem with I have with this call is that the defender WAS the primary defender. A1 was the man whom he was guarding throughout the play.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The one problem with I have with this call is that the defender WAS the primary defender. A1 was the man whom he was guarding throughout the play.

Excellent catch. He was the primary defender therefore the RA does not matter. I wonder how often this situation with the primary defender helping and then recovering comes into play. It would be rare for any one official to be watching these two players long enough to realize this was the case.

[SCRef1983]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The one problem with I have with this call is that the defender WAS the primary defender. A1 was the man whom he was guarding throughout the play.

GREAT PICKUP!! C was bringing info (which I don't mind) but L should have rebutted that it was a primary and still popped it. Plus the fact that he started inside the LDB means the RA is off.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SCRef1983

GREAT PICKUP!! C was bringing info (which I don't mind) but L should have rebutted that it was a primary and still popped it. Plus the fact that he started inside the LDB means the RA is off.

there's no LDB in NCAAM

[SCRef1983]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

there's no LDB in NCAAM

Didn't know that. Do NCAAW and thought they were the same. Always learning something new. Thanks.

I realize that the defender stepping up is the primary defender, but I don't think this should matter in this situation. Am I supposed to keep track of who is guarding who at all time??

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I realize that the defender stepping up is the primary defender, but I don't think this should matter in this situation. Am I supposed to keep track of who is guarding who at all time??

Are you saying anybody who is in the RA should be a secondary defender? I'm just trying to figure out a line of delineation of when a primary defender becomes a secondary defender on the man he is guarding. If the defensive coach asks me why that wasn't the primary defender, I would not have a legitimate answer for him.

[rockyroad]

Hmmm...now I am wondering: If the defender leaves his man to go help out somewhere else, is he still a "primary" defender on the guy he left?

Over-thinking it???

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Are you saying anybody who is in the RA should be a secondary defender? I'm just trying to figure out a line of delineation of when a primary defender becomes a secondary defender on the man he is guarding. If the defensive coach asks me why that wasn't the primary defender, I would not have a legitimate answer for him.

Thing is I don't know when a primary defender becomes a secondary defender or vice versa. I would like to say that any player that starts inside the RA and tries to establish position outside the RA in order to draw a charge should be considered a secondary defender. Obviously there is some common sense involved, but perhaps there should be a distance requirement for maintaining primary defender status in relation to RA plays.

As Justice Potter Stewart says, "I know a secondary defender when I see one."

[youngump]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

there's no LDB in NCAAM

Maybe I've misunderstood that rule. But just how big is the LDB in NCAAW? The drive started from the free throw line. So assuming that this were NCAAW and that the defender hadn't been moving forward at the time of contact and that whatever interesting stuff about secondary primary defenders didn't apply. Would this not be a block in NCAAW? I thought it went out to the second free throw space.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by youngump

I thought it went out to the second free throw space.

It does. I didn't go back and look at the play / drive when responding to the question.