Traveling?
 

player dribbles on the baseline and starts to make a pass to teammate setting up for a three point attempt on far side. Pivot foot is lifted and player realizes pass will be intercepted. He pulls ball back to chest, keeps his pivot off the floor, holds the ball for two seconds and calls a timeout.
Is this a travel? What if he adjusted and made a pass to top of key. Assume foot on floor does not move. This was real play my crew has debated for a week now.

Not a travel until he begins to dribble or returns pivot to floor before shooting or passing, thus you should grant the timeout.

he has options
 

5-8-3a

Sounds like a legal timeout.

Why did it take so long? (I mean that sincerely -- I'm interested in the process)

They've been corresponding via USPS.

Just noticed this was your first post. Welcome to the forum.

bob really is sincere. "Always listen to bob." :)

Yes. Welcome to the forum. You can stand there all day with your pivot foot in the air and not commit a travel. As others have said, you can pass, shoot or call a time out. What you can't do is start a dribble or put that pivot foot back down. Remember the traveling has everything to do with what the pivot foot does and not how many steps or what looks "funny."

Focus on that pivot foot and you will get a lot more calls correct.

And, except for the start of a dribble part of the travel rule, it is always the foot coming down that creates the travel, not the lifting of the foot.

Unless you start a dribble with the pivot foot up. This is a travel. The pivot foot need not come back down.

I believe that's what he just said.

Ok. Was a bit confusing as he worded it. Just wanted to clarify for our new found friend.

Why would it be a travel if he didn't put his pivot foot back down?

(I mean that sincerely -- I'm interested in the process)[/QUOTE]

A decision is still not agreed upon. We all live close, apparently have no real life, so we can beat any dead horse we happen upon. I find myself in the majority here. The rule does not have a time frame on shot or pass. Other says if player holds the ball, they are not in the act of passing or shooting, so a travel should be called.

Thank you all for the input, and welcome.

Passing or shooting remains to be seen. More importantly, though:

Pivot foot up + pivot foot down = travel.

Just remember this.

Ask those people to provide a rule that states that a player in the act of shooting or passing the ball has any bearing on calling a travel in this situation.

Grant the timeout. What rule says not shooting or passing right away once airborne makes it a travel?

I would ask them what the player did that constitutes a travel since the only time you can't lift your pivot is prior to a dribble.

Maybe because of the ruling that states once a pivot foot is lifted a player must pass or shoot before the pivot foot returns to the floor. The same logic that says such a player cannot even legally fumble would also preclude a legal timeout request.

Y'all are missing it: "Player dribbles on the baseline..." This isn't soccer! <ducks>

What are we missing?

An OOB violation. (I noticed it originally, but decided to go with the OP's intended meaning)

Exactly

Hop Along Now
 

I've often wondered...May the player hop on the non-pivot foot without limitation?

No.

Because, when a player jumps, they must release the ball for a pass or try before either foot returns to the floor.

Not true. On a jump stop a player is permitted to jump and land without releasing the ball.

That's the exception, but the rule states what Camron said. (4-44-3b)
After a jump stop, 4-44-4b would apply.

The case was referencing the non-piviot foot...impling the other foot was the piviot foot. In such a case, a jump stop isn't even possible. When jumping as part of a jump stop, no pivot foot has been established.

Even in the jump stop scenario, where the play jumps off of the foot, they must come down with both feet together. If they're hopping on one foot, they have not executed a legal jump stop...still traveling when that one foot comes back down.

I see the 4-44-3b rule now. Thank you. Curiously, I don't see a similar prohibition in NCAA 4-70.

See Art 1.

With that article, any foot movement not described as legal is illegal.

Oh, I understand all that. Just wanted to make sure the exception to your absolute was noted.

Thank you all for the comments, and for forgiving my incorrect statment that the ball was bounced "on" the baseline rather than "along" the base line. 😁

I think the key in this situation is: it will be very difficault for the player to keep the non-pivot foot in place when he/she is moving at full speed. If the player can keep the foot still, it is not a travel, but rather a smart and skilled play.

I only have five years of experience, so I am greatful to have found this forum. One person asked why my crew and I had so much talk on issue. Because I have so few years of experience, I probably take the rules more literal than others. Much less practice in applying the rule(s) in game time situations, or history of "that is how it has always been called.

Thank you all again. Great info and insight.

Now maybe you can go back and change it to end-line. ;)

So here's a question in regards to this situation: Does the non-pivot foot, the foot that is on the floor, have to remain stationary with respect to the floor? In other words, can you pivot on the non-pivot foot, provided that it does not come off the floor?

You two might want to check the definition of which foot is the pivot foot.

I'm regularly amazed that some officials have worked games for so long, and haven't grasped the concept that the general-world use of the word "pivot" - meaning to turn or rotate - is not the same as the basketball definition, found in 4-38: " A pivot takes place when a player who is hoolding the ball steps once or more than once, in any direction with the same foot while the other foot, called the pivot foot, is kept at its point of contact with the floor."

Perhaps I shouldn't use the word "pivot" here, but my question is still unanswered, is the non-pivot foot that is in contact with the floor allowed to rotate or twist on the floor, provided it does not lose contact with the floor?

So, the ballhandler, holding the ball, establishes his left foot as his pivot foot, by moving his right foot to another position on the floor. The left foot, (pivot foot) can be turned/pivoted, the right foot can be re-positioned in any manner he wishes, be that lifting it from and re-contacting the floor, twisting, turning, etc.

yes. player can't drag it or spin it to another location. when the pivot foot is on the ground and player steps with other foot in different directions the pivot foot spins but remains in contact with floor in same location. that other foot can do the same in this situation.

And, if the actual pivot foot is lifted, the non-pivot foot may be twisted, rotated, pivoted on as long as the pivot foot itself doesn't come back to the floor....maybe that is what is being asked.

yes, that was the question

Yup, that is what I was asking about, and that's what I thought, but I guess I'd never really discussed that point specifically. Thank you!

If you think about it, you see it all the time -- for example, picture a hook shot and the twist of the foot . . .