A single timer and a single scorer

Scratch85

The above phrase is part of test question. Will some of you who are more fluent in NFHS ambiguity help me understand what it means?

Is it one single person acting as both timer and scorer? Or is two separate individuals with a possible reference to their marital status?

bob jenkins

Scratch85 wrote
The above phrase is part of test question. Will some of you who are more fluent in NFHS ambiguity help me understand what it means?

Is it one single person acting as both timer and scorer? Or is two separate individuals with a possible reference to their marital status?

I'd have to see it in context but my guess would be that they are asking about rule 2-1

OKREF

Scratch85 wrote
The above phrase is part of test question. Will some of you who are more fluent in NFHS ambiguity help me understand what it means?

Is it one single person acting as both timer and scorer? Or is two separate individuals with a possible reference to their marital status?

One person keeping the book, and running the clock

Scratch85

bob jenkins wrote
I'd have to see it in context but my guess would be that they are asking about rule 2-1

OKREF wrote
One person keeping the book, and running the clock

Context: A single timer and a single scorer may be used if they are trained personnel and acceptable to the referee.

Would you both agree that it means "One person keeping the book, and running the clock."?

bob jenkins

Scratch85 wrote
Context: A single timer and a single scorer may be used if they are trained personnel and acceptable to the referee.

Would you both agree that it means "One person keeping the book, and running the clock."?

Is that on a current year's test? The wording was in the book several years ago, but is not there now.

Scratch85

On this year's Part II.

Camron Rust

Scratch85 wrote
Context: A single timer and a single scorer may be used if they are trained personnel and acceptable to the referee.

Would you both agree that it means "One person keeping the book, and running the clock."?

No. It is referring to two people...one for each job.

OKREF

Scratch85 wrote
Context: A single timer and a single scorer may be used if they are trained personnel and acceptable to the referee.

Would you both agree that it means "One person keeping the book, and running the clock."?

I believe that's what I said.

OKREF

Camron Rust wrote
No. It is referring to two people...one for each job.

I read that question as one person doing both jobs

bob jenkins

bob jenkins wrote
Is that on a current year's test? The wording was in the book several years ago, but is not there now.

I went into my attic and pulled out the 2002 -2003 book. 2-1-1: "The officials shall be a referee and an umpire or a referee and two umpires who shall be assisted by two timers and by two scorers. A single timer and a single scorer may be used if they are trained personnel acceptable to the referee."

By 2009 -2010 that wording was gone (I didn't check anywhere in between.)

Note that the rule also says "The official's uniform shall be a black-and-white striped shirt, black pants, shoes and socks." No mention of a belt.

SAK

bob jenkins wrote
Note that the rule also says "The official's uniform shall be a black-and-white striped shirt, black pants, shoes and socks." No mention of a belt.

So where do I get the black and white striped pants, shoes, and belt?

Camron Rust

OKREF wrote
I read that question as one person doing both jobs

If that were a case, the word "single" wouldn't be repeated in the statement on each side of the "and". It would have to say a single timer/scorer to be a total of one person.

Bad Zebra

bob jenkins wrote
..No mention of a belt...

Couldn't resist, huh? 😛

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

bob jenkins wrote
I went into my attic and pulled out the 2002 -2003 book. 2-1-1: "The officials shall be a referee and an umpire or a referee and two umpires who shall be assisted by two timers and by two scorers. A single timer and a single scorer may be used if they are trained personnel acceptable to the referee."

By 2009 -2010 that wording was gone (I didn't check anywhere in between.)

Note that the rule also says "The official's uniform shall be a black-and-white striped shirt, black pants, shoes and socks." No mention of a belt.

Bob:

You must be channeling your inner Milton Berle (or is it Bob Hope), by stealing my material, 😉.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac

SAK wrote
So where do I get the black and white striped pants, shoes, and belt?

Would this be better: "The official's uniform shall be a black-and-white striped shirt; black pants, shoes and socks." (semicolon replaces comma)?

bob jenkins wrote
No mention of a belt.

So I guess that the belt can be any color. Cool. Also, I guess that officials are required to go "commando".

In the original post, the wording is not a clear as it could be. As a retired teacher, if I gave a poorly worded question, like this, on a science test, the students would be all over me if I marked it wrong. Test question writing is a science, and not everybody is good at it.

Altor

BillyMac wrote
Test question writing is a science, and not everybody is good at it.

Agreed, but sometimes I think the NFHS test writers purposely write questions poorly to generate discussion.

ballgame99

I missed this question because the rule referenced didn't say anything about a single scorer/bookkeeper was ok if acceptable to the official. Sounds like they were asking about the old rule? It sounded like something that should be true, but the rule they referenced said nothing about it so I felt like I had to say false.