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BillyMac Thu Dec 04, 2014 06:53pm

Lanyardless ...
 
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 945563)
6. Whistle should have a neck cord ...

Odd. We have more than just a few lanyardless officials here. Why wouldn't they allow this in Illinois?

JRutledge Thu Dec 04, 2014 07:54pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 945652)
My local board, my local interpreter (also the training coordinator), and my high school assigner, neither encourage, nor discourage belts. In thirty-four years, the only mention of belts has been, "If you're going to wear a belt, make sure that it's all black". Period, not another word, and I served several years on the training committee. That's the way it is. Here. I'm sure that it's very different in other places. And I fully accept that.

Not only are you strongly discouraged to wear a belt, you might not get hired or get fired if you wear a belt. It is that simple. The state has nearly 6000 officials, they do not care what officials do at all levels, but they certainly do not hire official at all for regular season games. And there are no association that do any assigning (like around the country) and the IHSA is not going to give a darn what people wear in a freshman B game in a small town.

Peace

Rich Thu Dec 04, 2014 08:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 945652)
My local board, my local interpreter (also the training coordinator), and my high school assigner, neither encourage, nor discourage belts. In thirty-four years, the only mention of belts has been, "If you're going to wear a belt, make sure that it's all black". Period, not another word, and I served several years on the training committee. That's the way it is. Here. I'm sure that it's very different in other places. And I fully accept that.

The uniform requirement in Wisconsin is "beltless slacks." This doesn't stop some people (mostly subvarsity) from wearing belts, but when I watched the rules video and this was mentioned, I thought of Billy.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Dec 04, 2014 09:24pm

All right kids. Play nice! ;)

MTD, Sr.

scrounge Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 945563)
6. Whistle should have a neck cord and should be such that it may be heard

Good advice, having a whistle that can be heard. Were people using dog whistles? :)

AremRed Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:37pm

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Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 945673)
Good advice, having a whistle that can be heard. Were people using dog whistles? :)

I think they mean don't swallow your whistle. :D

johnny d Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:51pm

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 945644)

I hate the lanyard thing.


Not sure how things operate in Champaign, but in Chicago you if you don't wear a lanyard, you are not going to be getting any varsity games. It has nothing to do with what the state says, and everything to do with what the assignment chairs say. Also, in almost every college conference I work and many of the college camps I have been to, you are told to use a lanyard. Again, it is what the assignors expect. There are lots of things I don't like doing, but when my boss tells me to do them, I can either follow his advice or find a new line of work. Besides, I have much more important things to worry about than being forced to use a lanyard.

BillyMac Fri Dec 05, 2014 07:15am

And My Pants Would Fall Down ...
 
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 945658)
The uniform requirement in Wisconsin is "beltless slacks." This doesn't stop some people (mostly subvarsity) from wearing belts

It would certainly stop me. I do what my assigner, and my interpreter, tell me to do. Plus, we still have peer ratings here (soon to be done away with).

BillyMac Fri Dec 05, 2014 07:19am

When In Illinois ...
 
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 945656)
Not only are you strongly discouraged to wear a belt, you might not get hired or get fired if you wear a belt.

Great advice if I plan to move to Illinois (or any other state) but I don't, so I'll just do what is expected of me in Connecticut as long as I officiate here. If they change the uniform guidelines in Connecticut, you'll be the first to know, followed by me purchasing beltless pants.

dsqrddgd909 Fri Dec 05, 2014 08:50am

I am working on designing a special message filter for any text string containing "belt" or "belts" for this forum.

JRutledge Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:48am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 945695)
Great advice if I plan to move to Illinois (or any other state) but I don't, so I'll just do what is expected of me in Connecticut as long as I officiate here. If they change the uniform guidelines in Connecticut, you'll be the first to know, followed by me purchasing beltless pants.

Then why did you even mention what Illinois had written down? We know you are not moving.

Peace

j51969 Fri Dec 05, 2014 01:07pm

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 945677)
Not sure how things operate in Champaign, but in Chicago you if you don't wear a lanyard, you are not going to be getting any varsity games. It has nothing to do with what the state says, and everything to do with what the assignment chairs say. Also, in almost every college conference I work and many of the college camps I have been to, you are told to use a lanyard. Again, it is what the assignors expect. There are lots of things I don't like doing, but when my boss tells me to do them, I can either follow his advice or find a new line of work. Besides, I have much more important things to worry about than being forced to use a lanyard.

If it ever becomes an issue I may have to 're-evaluate my stance. IMO a coach wants a fit competent referee. It gets mentioned at camps as well. At this time it has not held me back from getting varsity assignments. For me Officiating basketball is a passion not a job. I haven't used a lanyard in around 20 years. If I ever get back to small college basketball again I will probably have to change. Until then I choose not to. Right now the military takes up most of my time. As an independent contractor I can choose my assignments and they can choose not to hire me.

BillyMac Fri Dec 05, 2014 05:44pm

Belts and Lanyards ???
 
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 945712)
Then why did you even mention what Illinois had written down?

Because I found it interesting.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Dec 05, 2014 05:51pm

Billy and Jeff!!
 
Boys!! Lets play nice!

This thread was supposed to be another one of my light hearted threads because when it comes to rules discussions I can be a very difficult person to deal with when I am correct, ;); even when I am incorrect about being incorrect, ;).

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I don't want to have to report the two of you to Santa so close to Christmas.


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