Florida State/Nebraska blarge (Video)
 

3:53 second half.

I happened to stumble upon Jay Bilas's brutal, incessant commentary on his Twitter feed...

"Wow. A double foul on a block/charge. Wow. If that doesn't signal college basketball is a hot mess, nothing will. What a joke."

"Officials from the FSU-Nebraska game are not allowed to drive to the airport together. "The light is red. The light is green! Go! Stop!" (I don't get it)

"Can't wait for SportsCenter's Top Ten Plays tonight, to see how many college basketball charges made the list! Oh yeah, nobody gives a $%*@."

"Another screw-up on a charge/block call in NEB/FSU. One ref whistles without a call, the other signals block, pulls it back. Laughable."

"Terran Petteway's fifth foul was a total joke. What an embarrassment to college basketball. That was NOT an offensive foul. Outrageous." (You're right, Jay. It was a player-control foul :D)

Also worth a look was the player-control foul on the Nebraska player at 2:25 left in the game.

Can we get a video of this one? Is it the one referenced below at 2:25?

Nevermind. Found it on ESPN's site: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/video?gameId=400587810

You have to browse the videos on the right.

There's a reason I don't follow Jay Bilas on Twitter.

Some of you may be able to browse to the plays (3:53 and 2:25 second half) here: ESPN3 -- Nebraska vs. Florida State

I just watched the blarge replay on WatchESPN (I don't know how to embed the clip, unfortunately).

The L and C both held up fists, and the C began to signal block but appeared to back off of it. After a delay, the T comes in and goes the other way with it. I do not believe the T should have taken it.

The correct call would have been PC in my judgment.

I used to somewhat enjoy listening to Bilas, but he has gone off the rails. He was working on some of the games from the Bahamas last week and he is an idiot. Hates all player control fouls, hates that the officials have cleaned up hand checks on ball handlers. He is constantly complaining about how bad the officials are.

Bilas worries about coaches' behavior eroding public confidence in officiating yet is ridiculously and incessantly critical when he goes on air. I don't get it.

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From what I can see, the Lead never signals anything preliminary. He just raises his fist and holds. The Center goes straight to the block signal then puts his fist up. Someone said the Trail came in and had a PC? I definitely don't see that on the video posted. If so it must have happened very late.

Since the Lead didn't give a preliminary, why not just go with the block that the Center had? (I thought this was a PC foul by the way)

When the camera cuts to the endline angle, you could hear a series of whistles. Although the video doesn't show it, that came from the T, Mike Roberts, according to the commentators. He went the other way with it, which is why it was a double foul. Not sure why he chose to make a call as it definitely was not his to make.

That looks like a clear PC. As a ref with very little 3 man experience, is that the C's call since it was on the C's side of the lane?

My supervisor has instructed his staff that the L has the primary call on a secondary defender (which FSU #15 is). If there is a double-whistle between the L & C or L & T on a block-charge call in the paint, the outside official is supposed to "hold" and is NOT to give a preliminary signal. Prior to my games, this possible play situation is repeated over & over during the pre-game discussion.

The ball is rebounded by Neb #2 and drives down the lane on the C side of the centerline. In my conference, this is the L's primary call.

1) This is the C's call all the way. In my humble opinion there was no need for two whistles (well I could have lived with the L sounding his whistle but it is still the C's call the way) let alone three whistles on this play.

2) I believe that the C should have taken one step in toward the play as it developed to get a better look, and definitely should have been stepping toward the players has he made his call.

3) CHARGE!!

MTD, Sr.

And I'd agree with your supervisor. Yet another example of a rotating defender coming form the L's primary to the C's side with the C jumping on the call and getting it wrong.

This is what we have been instructed in our leagues as well and I can tell you from camp with Big 10 officials and supervisors, this is the leads call (at least first crack).

That's a miss by the C.

I do not necessarily have a problem with the L getting this call, the way this play played out, the C had a great view of the play should have been able to pick up the new defender with no problems. As I stated earlier, that in this play the C should have had this play from the beginning.

Going off on a tangent as I am wont to do, I really do not believe that the Defender that took the charge can be classified as a Secondary Defender in the play because the Offensive Player had been passed his original Defender so as to be classifed as an Offensive Player who was not being defended and therefore a new Defensive Player started to guard him.

MTD, Sr.

That's pretty much the definition of Secondary Defender (and even where it is not, the video is an example of one)

Then you're failing to grasp the definition of secondary defender as put forth my NCAA-Men's basketball.

Hypothetical question. Assume this contact occurred in the RA, would you call a block because the secondary defender cannot establish initial LGP in the RA, or is the RA not in effect since the player who got the offensive rebound went immediately to the basket, thus eliminating the secondary defender rule?

NCAAW: Because the drive started outside the LDB, contact inside the RA cannot be a charge (absent a leading knee, etc.)

Though he made an immediate move, he did have a primary defender on him when he started his move.

I always took the rebounding exception to mean that the first defender encountered was a defender in the RA.

Then he needs to quit bailing on plays as a ball handler is moving towards the basket.

At some point, however, a secondary defender would become the primary defender.

I would consider this a secondary defender as well, but I am not sure how I would rule an RA play in this case. The rebounding exception doesn't say anything about how many defenders encountered, it just says there are no secondary defenders when the rebounder makes an immediate move to the basket.

Interesting that NCAA-W does not have the immediate move by the rebounder exception. Also, NCAA-M does not have LDB

We have gone over this before. It really doesn't matter when this switch from secondary to primary occurs. It only matters for establishing initial LGP. Further, once the player with the ball stops continuous movement towards the basket and initiates illegal contact with the secondary defender in the RA, this is a player control foul. Essentially, once the offensive player stops movement towards the basket, the secondary defender becomes the primary defender.

Would the pump fake and then dribble take away the "immediate move to the basket" part of the NCAA-M interp on this play? Seems like the immediate move would have been him going up for the intial shot, but by pump faking and dribbling away from that defender...??