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seohio Sun Nov 30, 2014 02:39pm

Double dribble
 
I was at a girls basketball game last night as a spectator. A girl dribbled close to foul line, picked up the ball and looked around for someone open and then started a dribble again. There was no call. When a girl picks up her dribble there are lots of things that you have to watch which may take your mind off the fact she had already dribbled. I wondered how often this may have happtened in one of my games. Curious how the veterns keep track.

grunewar Sun Nov 30, 2014 03:51pm

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Originally Posted by seohio (Post 945061)
Curious how the veterns keep track.

That's our job.

How do you determine if a defender has LGP? How do you know if a player sets an illegal screen? How do you determine a foul vs incidental contact?

Practice. Seeing plays. Concentration. To name just a few.

SNIPERBBB Sun Nov 30, 2014 07:15pm

Really shouldnt be any reason to loose track. I know a few guys that like to keep talking to themselves mentally during the play to keep track.

The times I've seen where they get away with is 2-man games where the T gets straightlined,of course getting straightlined in 2/3 from any position is a good way to miss a lot of stuff, and is looking through the ball handler's back on a quick pick-up and dribble.

AremRed Sun Nov 30, 2014 08:55pm

Happens to the best of us:

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potato Sun Nov 30, 2014 09:45pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 945106)
Happens to the best of us:

<iframe width="640" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/uTxb_EJnNFQ?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Nothing special, when the player freezes or starts shuffling around for more than 5 seconds people start to forget whether the guy dribbled, or more frequently which foot was his pivot foot.

billyu2 Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:23pm

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 945094)
Really shouldnt be any reason to loose track. I know a few guys that like to keep talking to themselves mentally during the play to keep track.

The times I've seen where they get away with is 2-man games where the T gets straightlined,of course getting straightlined in 2/3 from any position is a good way to miss a lot of stuff, and is looking through the ball handler's back on a quick pick-up and dribble.

It happens. Just like those dog-gone false double vowels. :)

just another ref Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:46am

I don't think there's any trick to it, you just have to pay close attention. Anything a player does casually, naturally is much more likely to be missed. In the posted video here, I think the player himself had forgotten, so it's not hard to imagine that the officials did too. Another one I have seen. A player tucks the ball under one arm and stands for an extended length of time to hold for the last shot. Just before time to start the last shot sequence, the ball handler will wipe both shoes clean. oops

AremRed Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:55am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 945130)
Another one I have seen. A player tucks the ball under one arm and stands for an extended length of time to hold for the last shot. Just before time to start the last shot sequence, the ball handler will wipe both shoes clean. oops

Not a travel, no advantage.

Adam Mon Dec 01, 2014 01:10am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 945132)
Not a travel, no advantage.

Advantage not required.
There certainly is an advantage here, though, in that the player is allowed to fix a traction issue.

just another ref Mon Dec 01, 2014 01:27am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 945134)
Advantage not required.
There certainly is an advantage here, though, in that the player is allowed to fix a traction issue.

I assumed he was kidding.

AremRed Mon Dec 01, 2014 02:27am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 945134)
Advantage not required.
There certainly is an advantage here, though, in that the player is allowed to fix a traction issue.

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 945135)
I assumed he was kidding.

I was being serious, otherwise I would have thrown in a :p.

I agree, advantage not required by rule but that seems to be the direction in which a lot of high-level (TV) basketball is headed.

just another ref Mon Dec 01, 2014 02:28am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 945142)
I was being serious, otherwise I would have thrown in a :p.

I agree, advantage not required by rule but that seems to be the direction in which a lot of high-level (TV) basketball is headed.

I don't do a lot of high level (TV) basketball, do you?

AremRed Mon Dec 01, 2014 02:31am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 945143)
I don't do a lot of high level (TV) basketball, do you?

Nope.

just another ref Mon Dec 01, 2014 03:30am

New NFHS directive: Regardless of what the rule says, if you see it done at higher levels (on TV) call it that way.


I'm still hoping he's kidding.

Nevadaref Mon Dec 01, 2014 03:40am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 945142)
I was being serious, otherwise I would have thrown in a :p.

I agree, advantage not required by rule but that seems to be the direction in which a lot of high-level (TV) basketball is headed.

So the recent directives on contact with a ball handler needing to be whistled without consideration of any advantage or disadvantage fits into your theory how?


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