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Sharpshooternes Sat Nov 29, 2014 07:44pm

LA Salle vs Vanderbilt Official Elbowed In Head off Jump (Video)
 
One of the officials took an elbow to the face and had to go to the hospital sometime in the first 5 minutes of play. I tuned in just after it happened. Did an u one see what happened?

InsideTheStripe Sat Nov 29, 2014 08:19pm

Don't have video to embed, but you can see it here:

Basketball Referee Collapses After Tossing Opening Tip, Carted Off

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Rich Sat Nov 29, 2014 08:45pm

Elbowed on the opening jump. Scary. Knocked out with his eyes open.

Jump balls are stupid.

BayStateRef Sat Nov 29, 2014 08:57pm

Interesting to watch the crew have to use 2-person mechanics. They are rotating a lot from the lead...with the trail remaining ball-side. A lot of movement from the trail and not nearly as deep into the frontcourt as usual.

Rich Sat Nov 29, 2014 09:07pm

I wish more people would see this. Going ballside is the right way to work 2-person and very few that I see actually do it.

Stat-Man Sat Nov 29, 2014 09:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 945016)
I wish more people would see this. Going ballside is the right way to work 2-person and very few that I see actually do it.

I had the chance to use this mechanic in the Fall when all the players from both teams were on the trail's side of the court and my PCA was nearly empty. I felt like I was more of a help to my partner in that position. Now, I look to do it, if/when I can.

maroonx Sat Nov 29, 2014 09:35pm

didnt look like he got hit hard.

Nevadaref Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 945014)
Elbowed on the opening jump. Scary. Knocked out with his eyes open.

Jump balls are stupid.

This is a good reason for the AP arrow which MTD and BillyMac dislike so much.

Rich Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 945018)
didnt look like he got hit hard.

No. The bruises tell quite a story, though.

Adam Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 945020)
This is a good reason for the AP arrow which MTD and BillyMac dislike so much.

I believe that are on opposite sides. MTD wants to jump every time, Billy wants to start the game with a coin toss.

johnny d Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:30pm

I vote for a rugby scrum. Just drop the ball and get the hell out of the way.

AremRed Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 945023)
I vote for a rugby scrum. Just drop the ball and get the hell out of the way.

Have you seen how rugby players do sideline throw-ins? I think that might be safer than a scrum. :D

Sharpshooternes Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:40pm

Wow. Didn't look like he got hit that hard. From now on, I am having the U's toss if I am the R.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 945020)
This is a good reason for the AP arrow which MTD and BillyMac dislike so much.


I consider it an "Abomination Upon the Game". Billy just tells me to keep my mouth shut.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. I was accidently kicked in the stomach by a 7'-00" center in a men's jr. college game during the opening tip. Nothing serious though.

Rob1968 Sun Nov 30, 2014 01:11am

Years ago, local college Womens' game, two man crew, I caught a flailing hand/fingernail of one of the jumpers, across my forehead. You know how a facial scratch can bleed . . . it took a couple of minutes to follow the blood drops and clean them up, and to get me a bandage on my forehead. What a way to start a game!
I've been hit in the groin by a jumper's foot on a couple of occasions . . . it's a bit difficult to concentrate until everything settles down . . .

BillyMac Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:45am

Jump Balls ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 945020)
This is a good reason for the AP arrow which MTD and BillyMac dislike so much.

You're mixing me up with the other old guy. I'm the one with lots of hair, and I'm the one who hates jump balls. Start the game with a coin toss, or start the game with the visitors getting the ball, and use the arrow from that point on.

BillyMac Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:48am

Ball Side ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 945016)
I wish more people would see this. Going ballside is the right way to work 2-person and very few that I see actually do it.

Here, in my little corner of Connecticut, as the lead, we are encouraged to go ball side when there is a ball side active post, and the ball is settled on the wing.

justacoach Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:40pm

Don't be surprised if we see the implementation of a concussion protocol for officials. First question:What was the number of the truck that hit you?.

Glad Rick Crawford is OK.

Multiple Sports Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:46pm

Billy Mac there you go again posting back to back just to pad your stats....You could have just made one post......

Looking forward to you proposing a question and answering it yourself...

SAK Sun Nov 30, 2014 01:49pm

Video
 
College basketball referee gets knocked out by an elbow on the opening tip | Ballislife.com

KJUmp Sun Nov 30, 2014 02:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BayStateRef (Post 945015)
Interesting to watch the crew have to use 2-person mechanics. They are rotating a lot from the lead...with the trail remaining ball-side. A lot of movement from the trail and not nearly as deep into the frontcourt as usual.

Joe DeRossa and Jose Carrion were the other two officials on the crew.

KJUmp Sun Nov 30, 2014 02:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 945018)
didnt look like he got hit hard.

?????
The Vanderbilt player jumping center that came down and across on him with the elbow was 6'10" 248 lbs.

BryanV21 Sun Nov 30, 2014 02:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 945018)
didnt look like he got hit hard.

Oftentimes a well-placed punch/kick/elbow/etc is more damaging than a hard one.

AremRed Sun Nov 30, 2014 06:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 945063)
Joe DeRossa and Jose Carrion were the other two officials on the crew.

Huh, if DeRosa was on the crew I wonder why he wasn't the R.

SNIPERBBB Sun Nov 30, 2014 07:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 945028)
Wow. Didn't look like he got hit that hard. From now on, I am having the U's toss if I am the R.


Doesnt take much to get a concussion. Last year we had a game where a visiting player B1 took and easy step backwards and the back of his head hit his teammate's, B2, forehead. B2 crumpled and was removed from the game for concussion symptoms.

JRutledge Sun Nov 30, 2014 07:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 945093)
Huh, if DeRosa was on the crew I wonder why he wasn't the R.

He might have been the Referee. He did not have to be the one that tossed the ball.

Peace

AremRed Sun Nov 30, 2014 08:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 945097)
He might have been the Referee. He did not have to be the one that tossed the ball.

Proof that designating a tosser works! DeRosa dodged a bullet on that one...

Kansas Ref Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:22pm

If given a choice, I rarely ever do the toss. It is one of the most accident prone areas for a Ref.
It is not that difficult to get concussed, some sections of your head/cranium are softer than others. I saw a partners eyeglasses get broken on face by errant ly tapped jump all.

BillyMac Mon Dec 01, 2014 06:37pm

Although I Am A George Clooney Doppelgänger ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 945050)
Billy Mac there you go again posting back to back just to pad your stats....You could have just made one post ... Looking forward to you proposing a question and answering it yourself...

How do you think that I became an esteemed member? It wasn't because of my good looks.

BillyMac Mon Dec 01, 2014 06:39pm

Give That Man A Cigar ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 945014)
Jump balls are stupid.

Bingo.

Sharpshooternes Thu Dec 04, 2014 02:04am

Another one happened to start the OT period of Utah and Wichita.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Dec 04, 2014 02:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 945044)
You're mixing me up with the other old guy. I'm the one with lots of hair, and I'm the one who hates jump balls. Start the game with a coin toss, or start the game with the visitors getting the ball, and use the arrow from that point on.


I am the older guy with very little hair. :p

MTD, Sr.

JRutledge Thu Dec 04, 2014 02:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 945540)
Another one happened to start the OT period of Utah and Wichita.

I just saw that on ESPN. I could not believe that happen again. I had never seen this happen before and it has happened twice.

Peace

mutantducky Thu Dec 04, 2014 02:30am

damn:confused:
just saw the Utah one.
maybe there should be another way to start the game or just keep it as is?
I've been hit a couple of times, not hard, but that's after the tip when the players are running around. I like doing the jump but maybe they should consider doing away with it.

Nevadaref Thu Dec 04, 2014 04:29am

That was Dave Hall getting whacked in the head in the Wichita State at Utah game. He was unable to continue and the crew worked the OT 2-man.

I foresee a mechanics change in which the tossing official will stand outside the jump circle and lob the ball in a curved arc inside the current vertical toss.

APG Thu Dec 04, 2014 05:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 945553)

I foresee a mechanics change in which the tossing official will stand outside the jump circle and lob the ball in a curved arc inside the current vertical toss.

This is how NBA official Ken Mauer tosses the ball.

scrounge Thu Dec 04, 2014 08:01am

I say just go to a coin flip. Then the "speaking captain" will finally actually have something to say.

SCRef1983 Thu Dec 04, 2014 09:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 945558)
i say just go to a coin flip. Then the "speaking captain" will finally actually have something to say.

+1

dahoopref Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 945540)
Another one happened to start the OT period of Utah and Wichita.

Another Referee Knocked Out Of Game Due To Tip Injury

Nevadaref Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 945556)
This is how NBA official Ken Mauer tosses the ball.

Shhh...keep that quiet or another young official will post that he is doing another mechanic incorrectly. ;)

blindzebra Thu Dec 04, 2014 01:21pm

Looks like Hall tried to put his whistle in his mouth after getting whacked.

Worst I ever had was I caught the top of a jumper's wrist right on my funny bone...had burning in the last 3 fingers of my hand for 2 days. Pain was really bad whenever I used that hand during the game and darned if both teams didn't shoot about 30 threes.

mutantducky Thu Dec 04, 2014 02:02pm

is there a rule we have to follow for the jump-ball? Can I stand further out and do more of a lob/curve toss? I could easily stand a few feet out and do an overhead toss, kind of like a soccer throw-in.

This Is Not How You're Supposed To Throw A Jump Ball, Ken Mauer

Tony Allen runs over a referee on the opening tip - SBNation.com


Referee Ken Mauer delivers the ball to Robin Lopez of the Portland... News Photo 458889112 | Getty Images

SC Official Thu Dec 04, 2014 03:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 945619)
is there a rule we have to follow for the jump-ball? Can I stand further out and do more of a lob/curve toss? I could easily stand a few feet out and do an overhead toss, kind of like a soccer throw-in.

The manual does not specifically say to step into the circle to toss it.


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