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Amesman Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:31am

Temporarily playing with 4
 
Team A had just 8 players (underlevel tourney). Two players sub out in a FT situation. One is replaced by a lass with an earring. Partner recognizes before FTA so coach is informed she needs to come out.

As T, I ask player about to enter if she had just came out. Yes, she admits, so I invite her to resume sitting. Ultimately and reluctantly, the last player (keeping the book on the bench) goes in.

The question: If they had had just seven players, do we carry on with four until one can come back in after a clock stoppage? A quick flip of the book didn't get me the confirmation I was hoping to find.

Freddy Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:45am

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Originally Posted by Amesman (Post 944290)
Team A had just 8 players (underlevel tourney). Two players sub out in a FT situation. One is replaced by a lass with an earring. Partner recognizes before FTA so coach is informed she needs to come out.

As T, I ask player about to enter if she had just came out. Yes, she admits, so I invite her to resume sitting. Ultimately and reluctantly, the last player (keeping the book on the bench) goes in.

The question: If they had had just seven players, do we carry on with four until one can come back in after a clock stoppage? A quick flip of the book didn't get me the confirmation I was hoping to find.

There's nothing that says you must make the earring-clad player exit the game. 3.5.7A(c) only says, "...will not be allowed to participate while wearing the item. No penalty is involved. (The player) simply cannot participate until the illegal items are removed."
Therefore, just have her remove them and resume play.

Unless I'm wrong. Which I reserve the right, based on rules reference I'm not considering, to be.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amesman (Post 944290)
Team A had just 8 players (underlevel tourney). Two players sub out in a FT situation. One is replaced by a lass with an earring. Partner recognizes before FTA so coach is informed she needs to come out.

As T, I ask player about to enter if she had just came out. Yes, she admits, so I invite her to resume sitting. Ultimately and reluctantly, the last player (keeping the book on the bench) goes in.

The question: If they had had just seven players, do we carry on with four until one can come back in after a clock stoppage? A quick flip of the book didn't get me the confirmation I was hoping to find.


Amesman:

See my (and I do me mine) NFHS Casebook Play 8.2 Situation B. It will give you the answer to your question.

MTD, Sr.

bob jenkins Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:05am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 944299)
Amesman:

See my (and I do me mine) NFHS Casebook Play 8.2 Situation B. It will give you the answer to your question.

MTD, Sr.

While "playing with 5" trumps "must sit a tick" (channeling my inner Billy Mac -- now I need a shower), it doesn't really apply in this game because the "last girl on the bench" was available.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:56am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 944307)
While "playing with 5" trumps "must sit a tick" (channeling my inner Billy Mac -- now I need a shower), it doesn't really apply in this game because the "last girl on the bench" was available.


Bob:

Amesman's original play involved the team having eight players, but then he asked what to do if the team only had seven players. My answer and the Casebook Play refers to a team only having seven players which is the question (I highlighted it in red when I quoted his post.) that Amesman asked.

MTD, Sr.

PG_Ref Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:24pm

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 944297)
There's nothing that says you must make the earring-clad player exit the game. 3.5.7A(c) only says, "...will not be allowed to participate while wearing the item. No penalty is involved. (The player) simply cannot participate until the illegal items are removed."
Therefore, just have her remove them and resume play.

Unless I'm wrong. Which I reserve the right, based on rules reference I'm not considering, to be.

A player wearing jewelry has to leave the game ... two caseplays.

2.4.5 SITUATION A:

Before the contest both coaches verify that their teams are legally equipped. In the third quarter A1 is discovered wearing a ring.

RULING: A1 must leave the game and remove the jewelry and may re-enter the game at the next substitution opportunity, but no penalty is assessed against A1 or the coach.


2.4.5 SITUATION B:

To the referee's pregame inquiry of coaches regarding all team members being legally equipped and wearing the uniform properly, both coaches responded "yes." Three minutes into the first quarter, U1 observes A5 with a tongue stud.

RULING: When the tongue stud is noticed, A5 must leave the game and may not return until the stud has been removed. There is no technical foul assessed. (3-5-8)

Freddy Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:34pm

You Calling Me Wrong???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 944297)
I reserve the right...

Whereas before I was sitting, I now stand . . .




. . . corrected.

PG_Ref Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:38pm

LOL ... I'm just saying


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