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PP Tue Nov 18, 2014 03:10pm

4 point play
 
Found this question and answer but i don't get why 2 free throws would be awarded if the try is successful.
Question: Airborne shooter A1 has been fouled by B1 in the act of shooting a two-point try. B2 moved into Al's landing space after he was airborne and commits a blocking foul against A1. The try is successful. True or False
True - Section 1 Article 1 & Article 2 (Case Book 4.1.1) - 2004
Ruling: Two free throws will be awarded A1.

bob jenkins Tue Nov 18, 2014 03:18pm

Here's a hint -- how many fouls were committed?

PP Tue Nov 18, 2014 03:35pm

Well obviously there is two fouls. Is the second considered intentional so you have 2 shots ?

bob jenkins Tue Nov 18, 2014 03:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PP (Post 943982)
Well obviously there is two fouls. Is the second considered intentional so you have 2 shots ?

When two different players commit a foul on one play, what kind of foul is it? What's the penalty for that?

(and, this is a test question, not a "real life" question)

PP Tue Nov 18, 2014 03:39pm

I found this question on a website. (not a test)

Remington Tue Nov 18, 2014 03:46pm

False Multiple. I have never called one. This actually does happen, but officials only penalize the first foul. I wonder if it is out of lack of knowledge or because officials don't want to penalize 2 fouls on such a play. I watched a state tournament game have this happen where the trail called a foul on the arm during a try and then the lead came out with a block as the second defender slid underneath the shooter. The officials only penalized the 1st foul.

PP Tue Nov 18, 2014 03:47pm

Just found it..A multiple foul rule 4.19.11 Penalty 10.6

bob jenkins Tue Nov 18, 2014 03:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PP (Post 943988)
Just found it..A multiple foul rule 4.19.11 Penalty 10.6

Correct.

(Well, mostly. Rules are dashes; case plays are dots. So, your references are 4-19-11 and Penalty 10-6. -- and I assume those are correct. ;) )

SNIPERBBB Tue Nov 18, 2014 05:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 943989)
Correct.

(Well, mostly. Rules are dashes; case plays are dots. So, your references are 4-19-11 and Penalty 10-6. -- and I assume those are correct. ;) )

Its actually 4.9.12

4.19.12 SITUATION:

B1 fouls airborne A1 who is in the act of shooting. Before airborne shooter A1 returns one foot to the floor, he/she is fouled by B2 who has moved into A1's landing area. The ball: (a) does; or (b) does not, enter the basket.

RULING: This is a false multiple foul and each foul carries its own penalty. In (a), the goal is counted and A1 is awarded one free throw for each foul. In (b), A1 is awarded two free throws for each foul. (10 Penalty 6, 7)

biggravy Wed Nov 19, 2014 01:32am

And the first time you call it, get ready for the $h!t storm!

AremRed Wed Nov 19, 2014 07:46am

If it's in the rule book that must mean coaches want it called, right??

Adam Wed Nov 19, 2014 08:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggravy (Post 944023)
And the first time you call it, get ready for the $h!t storm!

First person here who calls this buys beer for everyone else here.

The next time it's called in the remote reaches of the YMCA leagues, will be the first time it was called anywhere in the history of basketball.

By the time officials learn of this rule, they're usually at the point where they realize some rules are only there for tests.

dsqrddgd909 Wed Nov 19, 2014 02:46pm

Has anyone ever called a multiple foul? (not a false multiple)

Adam Wed Nov 19, 2014 06:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 944115)
Has anyone ever called a multiple foul? (not a false multiple)

I've never even heard rumors of it being called.

BoomerSooner Wed Nov 19, 2014 07:33pm

I've had the awful luck of being able to one-up the situation described in the OP. A1 blows by B1 on the dribble and pulls up in front of B2 for a jump shot. B1 still chasing the play can't put on the brakes quickly enough and bumps A1 on the way up and was enough for me to blow the whistle for a foul. B2 had jumped to contest the shot but realizing that A1 now had the opportunity to try for a 3 point play decided he wasn't going to let A1 get a shot off (he was wrong about that) and slashed him across the arm and caught enough of A1's face to draw blood and make me feel it was flagrant and that I couldn't let it go.

I watched the following action with a made 2 point try and then signaled to the coach to attend to the shooter's bleeding nose. On the court to the players, I announced that I had fouls on B1 and B2 and to line up to shoot free throws, and notified my partner that B2's foul was flagrant. Being the lesser experienced ref on the court, my partner gave me a let's talk privately look/head nod (subtle so as to not cause any doubt with the coaches/players/spectators; I loved that guy for all the wisdom he imparted), and he asked me if I was sure I had two fouls. He agreed with my analysis from his vantage point, and I think the question was really whether or not I really wanted to go with a multiple foul and call the second flagrant because I was about to have A shoot 3 FTs instead of 1. He never questioned my judgement, but it was mostly a make sure you're ready for this talk. He recommended announcing it to table then pulling both coaches in to explain the situation. The coaches, even B, understood the call (I think it helped that A1 had a nasty nose bleed). B's coach didn't argue the fouls, but did get a little upset about the penalty enforcement. I assured him that was the right enforcement and other than hand slap to his forehead he walked away just shaking his head. The crowd's reaction was another thing, but otherwise it really wasn't that bad. I've never had anything close enough to call a multiple foul since then, let alone a multiple foul with a flagrant.


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