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AremRed Thu Oct 30, 2014 08:00pm

College referees disciplined
 
College basketball referees disciplined for accessing unauthorized information, per sources - ESPN

Bad Zebra Thu Oct 30, 2014 08:06pm

I always thought this inter web thing was going to cause problems for officials :p

Raymond Thu Oct 30, 2014 09:22pm

Bradley Batt as in whack, get out?

Adam Thu Oct 30, 2014 09:23pm

ruh roh

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:38pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 942678)
Bradley Batt as in whack, get out?

Yes.

MTD, Sr.

Tio Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:38pm

These guys are the envy of so many officials who would love to work 80-100 games and enjoy the game fees and prestige that come along with the turf. I have a feeling we don't know the whole story. The only angles could be: 1. Access to coach evaluations of officials & 2. Seeing officials, their schedules and the accompanying pay they were in line for.

I dealt with a similar situation in a High School association where one of the board members got access and wanted to know who had the best assignments every week. It is nothing more than an ego, jealousy and envy play. At the D1 level there is a lot more cash at stake.

JRutledge Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:53am

The problem with the story is that as usual, the media only focused on one of the most minor part of the infraction. Honestly, who cares what a coach might say about them. I doubt that was the issue. I bet it was more about getting access to things that were not the business of the individuals like assignments and assignor decisions.

The media really needs to talk to more people that actually officiate, not some reporter that has no idea what officiating is about.

Peace

JetMetFan Fri Oct 31, 2014 02:29am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 942695)
The problem with the story is that as usual, the media only focused on one of the most minor part of the infraction. Honestly, who cares what a coach might say about them. I doubt that was the issue. I bet it was more about getting access to things that were not the business of the individuals like assignments and assignor decisions.

The media really needs to talk to more people that actually officiate, not some reporter that has no idea what officiating is about.

Peace

The reporter didn't focus on the coach rating part of things, he just used it as an example. He mentioned the assignments and financial information as well. The reporter also mentioned that he spoke with an official about the situation off the record. I'm not surprised a working official wouldn't speak on the record about something like this.

JRutledge Fri Oct 31, 2014 08:21am

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 942698)
The reporter didn't focus on the coach rating part of things, he just used it as an example. He mentioned the assignments and financial information as well. The reporter also mentioned that he spoke with an official about the situation off the record. I'm not surprised a working official wouldn't speak on the record about something like this.

He focused mostly on the coach aspect and having an axe to grind if some official had an opportunity to view that information. Not that I could look in and get someone's personal information. And I would not be surprised if there were social security numbers or other personal information that someone would not want to have random people looking at in this manner.

Peace

MD Longhorn Fri Oct 31, 2014 09:18am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 942695)
The media really needs to talk to more people that actually officiate, not some reporter that has no idea what officiating is about. Peace

Problem with that thought is that at nearly every level, officials are told not to speak to the press. Finding that one guy in each organization that is allowed to speak for the group is probably not that easy (or timely), from the reporter's point of view - especially in today's 24-hour news cycle where there are no deadlines... just rushes to report things first.

JetMetFan Fri Oct 31, 2014 09:32am

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 942711)
Problem with that thought is that at nearly every level, officials are told not to speak to the press. Finding that one guy in each organization that is allowed to speak for the group is probably not that easy (or timely), from the reporter's point of view - especially in today's 24-hour news cycle where there are no deadlines... just rushes to report things first.

I work in the media - not for ESPN - and while I agree there's a rush to report things first I don't think this story qualifies. ESPN is the only place with original reporting on this one so no one was breathing down their necks. My guess is they couldn't get many officials to talk.

Tio Fri Oct 31, 2014 09:37am

The value here was the officials could check and see who was getting the big assignments in each conference. They could then compare their schedule with others both in terms of number of games and plum assignments.

justacoach Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:28am

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Originally Posted by Tio (Post 942714)
The value here was the officials could check and see who was getting the big assignments in each conference. They could then compare their schedule with others both in terms of number of games and plum assignments.

You can get the historical data relating to assignments with two mouse clicks
for example:
College Basketball Referees - StatSheet.com

Tio Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:32am

Right, but not future assignments. They were looking at schedules for this year and likely have been doing this for quite awhile.

Adam Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:15am

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 942712)
I work in the media - not for ESPN - and while I agree there's a rush to report things first I don't think this story qualifies. ESPN is the only place with original reporting on this one so no one was breathing down their necks. My guess is they couldn't get many officials to talk.

Probably for a variety of reasons.

I'm guessing there's a lot more to this story than we'll ever know. How did they get access? Who did it? What did they see?

I'm good with not knowing.

Raymond Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:18am

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Originally Posted by Tio (Post 942723)
Right, but not future assignments. They were looking at schedules for this year and likely have been doing this for quite awhile.

Boroski is also a lower division supervisor, possible he was looking up schedules of some of his officials?

AremRed Fri Oct 31, 2014 05:45pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 942733)
Boroski is also a lower division supervisor

He is? What conference?

Raymond Fri Oct 31, 2014 07:54pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 942764)
He is? What conference?

Per the article, but it didn't specify.

Rich Sat Nov 01, 2014 09:28am

It wouldn't surprise me if officials assigned to a game were paid different amounts based on how in-demand they are. That would not be information people would want shared.

JRutledge Sat Nov 01, 2014 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 942777)
It wouldn't surprise me if officials assigned to a game were paid different amounts based on how in-demand they are. That would not be information people would want shared.

There is a tier system in many conferences. This is usually well known by everyone involved. Everyone knew the big time guys like Tommy O'Neil, Ed Hightower or Steve Welmer were getting the bigger checks to work a mid-major conference. I am sure some would not want this to be known, but it was not a big deal either. The fact they hacked into the system is bad enough.

Peace

The_Rookie Sat Nov 01, 2014 05:39pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 942798)
. The fact they hacked into the system is bad enough.

Peace

One of the guys in article mentioned lawyering up!...As Independent Contractors, what could he sue for? Employees can sue for wrongful termination, we work at the behest of supervisors/assignors..right?

JRutledge Sat Nov 01, 2014 05:48pm

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Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 942802)
One of the guys in article mentioned lawyering up!...As Independent Contractors, what could he sue for? Employees can sue for wrongful termination, we work at the behest of supervisors/assignors..right?

I am sure he could sue for defamation or some association where he was not involved. It is possible that not everyone was responsible for this incident. And if games are cost because it is said they were involved, that is a good reason to sue or to have some legal advice to proceed.

Peace

Kansas Ref Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:01pm

Well I can say with 100 0/0 certainty that if by some cosmic coincidence I became privy to all Arbiter accts I would never use it!

Nevadaref Thu Nov 06, 2014 02:51pm

Gambling could be a concern of the conferences and NCAA if someone has unauthorized access to future assignments of officials.

AremRed Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:19pm

I have heard from a reliable source that the officials in question have lost all of their Consortium games (Big 10, MAC, and Summit). Probably 60-70% of their schedules.

Referee24.7 Sat Nov 08, 2014 02:30am

I think the major concern is the fact that if the allegations are found to be true, they basically got unauthorized access to a site(s) that they don't have permission to, so that almost basically constitutes to hacking in the site, and that has criminally federal ramifications. . .

I'm no politician, but invading someone's privacy (such as personal info like SS numbers and other things) is a scary thing.

Just my barely $.02 cents worth on it. . .

BillyMac Sat Nov 08, 2014 08:34am

I Think That The Nigerian Prince Has It ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Referee24.7 (Post 943232)
Just my barely $.02 cents worth on it.

Sorry. Somebody hacked into your account and that two cents is long gone. And now you have to pay a $35.00 overdraft fee.


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