2014-2015 NFHS test

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

Where's the definite knowledge of 5 seconds?

Or are you saying that if I know at least 5 seconds ran off it's perfectly OK for me to put 5 on, even though that's not an accurate number?

Oh, so it's a trick question? B/c we are definitely allowed to put time on the clock. That's the kind of crap I don't like on these tests.

"...the referee has no authority to put five seconds on the clock." is false b/c the referee does have that authority; whether or not he had definite knowledge is not addressed.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That's the kind of crap I don't like on these tests.

Agreed!

Will. Must. May. Shall. Could. Some of my least favorite words.......

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Agreed!

Will. Must. May. Shall. Could. Some of my least favorite words.......

Why? Those are about the most clear words. What is wrong with them?

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Why? Those are about the most clear words. What is wrong with them?

You have to assume that they are interpreted correctly and defined as such in the rules.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

You have to assume that they are interpreted correctly and defined as such in the rules.

They're not complicated words.

[SNIPERBBB]

They are to golfers lol.

Been a few local meetings where I felt a dictionary was required

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

A case play covers that question better, actually.

Here's one from the test:

Q: If the timer erroneously runs the clock for more than five seconds, the referee has no authority to put five seconds on the clock.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

False, 5-10, case plays from 5.10.1

Originally Posted by Rich

Where's the definite knowledge of 5 seconds?

Or are you saying that if I know at least 5 seconds ran off it's perfectly OK for me to put 5 on, even though that's not an accurate number?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Oh, so it's a trick question? B/c we are definitely allowed to put time on the clock. That's the kind of crap I don't like on these tests.

"...the referee has no authority to put five seconds on the clock." is false b/c the referee does have that authority; whether or not he had definite knowledge is not addressed.

However the question was worded on the test, I got it wrong...SMH Maybe I missed a word or something. Again, to me, this is a trick question, instead of a question geared at finding out if we know the rule.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

However the question was worded on the test, I got it wrong...SMH Maybe I missed a word or something. Again, to me, this is a trick question, instead of a question geared at finding out if we know the rule.

I read that question to be a question on the statute of limitations for making a correction.....that if the time that ran off was more than 5 seconds, it is or is not too late to make a correction. I did not think it was about definite knowledge.

[just another ref]

Okay, here's the question I missed:

Prior to either team gaining control on a jump ball to start the overtime period, B2 is charged with an intentional personal foul. Ruling: The scorer should set the arrow when the ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower for the throw-in opposite the table at mid court.


true or false

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Okay, here's the question I missed:

Prior to either team gaining control on a jump ball to start the overtime period, B2 is charged with an intentional personal foul. Ruling: The scorer should set the arrow when the ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower for the throw-in opposite the table at mid court.


true or false

Not enough information to answer.

IF the nearest spot to the foul is "opposite the table at mid court" then it's true. IF the nearest spot to the foul is other than that, then it's false.

Or, if you think they are asking about the arrow alone (and ignoring any spot issues), it's true.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not enough information to answer.

IF the nearest spot to the foul is "opposite the table at mid court" then it's true. IF the nearest spot to the foul is other than that, then it's false.
Or, if you think they are asking about the arrow alone (and ignoring any spot issues), it's true.

Poorly worded question. I'll go out on a limb and say maybe they are trying to see if officials know that the throw-in spot for an intentional personal foul isn't automaticlly at the division line opposite the table.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Poorly worded question. I'll go out on a limb and say maybe they are trying to see if officials know that the throw-in spot for an intentional personal foul isn't automaticlly at the division line opposite the table.

Apparently the key to the question was when the arrow is set. I think I've had a variation of this before which stated it was set when the free throw shooter got the ball at his disposal. I take the position that the phrase "at the division line opposite the table" makes the whole thing false. As pointed out above, it shouldn't take a coincidence to make a true statement on a test.

Unfortunately, the "correct" answer was listed as true.

Fortunately, this was the only question I missed, so my rating was not affected. I hope that missing this question didn't affect anyone else's rating.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not enough information to answer.

IF the nearest spot to the foul is "opposite the table at mid court" then it's true. IF the nearest spot to the foul is other than that, then it's false.

Or, if you think they are asking about the arrow alone (and ignoring any spot issues), it's true.

It's false either way. The arrow is set sooner than this.

[Kelvin green]

Bob is right with the rule. Not sure what you meant by the arrow is set sooner than this. By definition...

4-3
“Alternating-possession control is established and the initial direction of the possession arrow is set toward the opponent’s basket when:

ART. 1 . . . A player secures control of the ball, as after the jump ball beginning the game and each extra period.

ART. 2 . . . The ball is placed at the disposal of the free thrower after a *common foul when the bonus free throw is in effect.

ART. 3 . . . The ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower after:

a. A violation during or following the jump before a player secures control.

b. The free throws for a noncommon foul.

c. A common foul before the bonus free throw is in effect.”

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[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Okay, here's the question I missed:

Prior to either team gaining control on a jump ball to start the overtime period, B2 is charged with an intentional personal foul. Ruling: The scorer should set the arrow when the ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower for the throw-in opposite the table at mid court.


true or false

me thinks not enough info to correctly answer