Tickle the Shooter's Belly/Torso During a Try for A Goal

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

I see this a lot and have been calling a "shooting foul".
Players get the point and eventually stop doing it.
Player told me "hey ref I did not hit that shooter".
I replied "You touched his chest/tummy area when he tried for a shot, I just want to see you play defense the normal way--hands extended up to contest it".
He never did it again.
Are you guys calling this a foul or are you letting defenders "slide" on this type of situation?
My partner started calling it when he saw me call it, we spoke during pre-game about these situations and confirmed that we are to be consistent.

At no time is this a foul not an intentional personal foul.

The first time I see it I will do one of two things: I will either tell the defender to knock it off if the contact did not change the play or I will call a foul in the act of shooting.

If I did not call a foul the first time I see it, the second time I see it, it will at least be a foul in the act of shooting.

The third and thereafter it will be an intentional personal foul each and every time.

When I choose to take the "warning" approach the first time I see it, I let the defender know in no uncertain terms that the contact, by definition, is an intentional personal foul, and that does make an impression on most players.

The amazing thing is that this foul is committed by male players and not female players. I cannot remember the last time I had to talk to a female player about this type of contact.

MTD, Sr.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The amazing thing is that this foul is committed by male players and not female players. I cannot remember the last time I had to talk to a female player about this type of contact.

MTD, Sr.

*If there are any female readers/participants on this forum, I do NOT mean to sound "sexist" when I make this comment: but in general I have observed that the female players are more fundamentally-sound and less concerned with concocting rule-bending behaviors/ploys to create offensive and/or defensive advantages. I've observed that they really 'talk" and communcate on defense telling their team-mates when screens are coming, they slide their feet on defense better, maintain defensive stance better, and the such. However, I have noticed that when they shoot jumpshots, many female shooters tend to take that little 'hop' step before they attempt a shot--ostensibly to "gather" themselves before the shot. Hmmmm, whether by definition this is a "travel" violation or not, it is never called by officials--male nor female officials in both nfhs, collegiate, and wnba levels as I have observed.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

...that little 'hop' step ...it is never called by officials...as I have observed.

Come observe here. It's a travel. We're trained to call it as such.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I cannot remember the last time I had to talk to a female player about this type of contact.

They don't have the time to do it. Their spending the entire game yelling, "Ball. Ball. Ball.".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

At no time is this a foul not an intentional personal foul.

The first time I see it I will do one of two things: I will either tell the defender to knock it off if the contact did not change the play or I will call a foul in the act of shooting.

If I did not call a foul the first time I see it, the second time I see it, it will at least be a foul in the act of shooting.

The third and thereafter it will be an intentional personal foul each and every time.

When I choose to take the "warning" approach the first time I see it, I let the defender know in no uncertain terms that the contact, by definition, is an intentional personal foul, and that does make an impression on most players.

The amazing thing is that this foul is committed by male players and not female players. I cannot remember the last time I had to talk to a female player about this type of contact.

MTD, Sr.

"At no time" except the first two times. Right?

[Kansas Ref]

I was wondering if he made a syntax error in that post.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Adam

"At no time" except the first two times. Right?

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

I was wondering if he made a syntax error in that post.

Now you both have me on what I wrote. But it is too early in the morning for me to rewrite my post. Later this morning.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Later this morning.

After your late morning nap?

[CountTheBasket]

There is no such thing as marginal contact on a jump shooter--if he hits him, I call it.

[ballgame99]

Just please don't refer to it as the "tummy" again, its weird. And if its any type of jab its a foul. If it is just fingertips or very light, then nothing.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by CountTheBasket

There is no such thing as marginal contact on a jump shooter--if he hits him, I call it.

*Exactly, I concur...that is why I told that player to "just play defense the normal way, the way your coach taught you--hands extended up and time your jump to block or contest that shot".

[Toren]

Originally Posted by CountTheBasket

There is no such thing as marginal contact on a jump shooter--if he hits him, I call it.

This

+1

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

After your late morning nap?

Sometime between my post-breakfast nap and my pre-lunch nap. Being a retired structural engineer is a demanding job.

MTD, Sr.