*Exactly, I concur...that is why I told that player to "just play defense the normal way, the way your coach taught you--hands extended up and time your jump to block or contest that shot".

*Authors of these posts are free to use any terminology they choose, be it as "tummy", "abdomen", "torso", or any other term--be it of a strictly anatomical distinction (i.e., abdomen/torso) or colloquial origin (i.e., tummy, belly). I think we all know what each other means--just sayin...:cool:

*We are not sure what you mean by saying "any type of jab is foul, but just a light finger tip, then nothing"--appears glaringly contradictory.

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Exactly. They're doing it for no other reason than to affect the shooter - illegally - on that shot and future attempts.

What is this "marginal contact"? I can't find it.

Contact on a shooter may be incidental, or it may be a foul. And yes, there are plenty of cases where you'll have incidental contact on a jump shooter: even if a jab to the stomach isn't one of those cases.

You say all this?

I'm with you on this. I heard a D1 supervisor use this in talk during a camp. Some may see it as picking nits but I think it's important.

I know what's generally meant: contact which may or may not be a foul depending on circumstances. I get that. The problem is, many confuse the term and start using it where "incidental" is more appropriate and defined.

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You call any and all contact on a jump shooter?

If you never played high level playground basketball this is done REGULARLY there... that's where it comes from.

Now being a very good jump shooter it does affect a jump shot just by a matter of inches.... believe me

You have to call this at the high school level.....
On the concrete....you play through it

While shooting? Yeah. After the release before he has returned to the floor? No, I consider incidental/marginal/illegal contact.

Interesting. Is this for all jump shooters everywhere? Just the ones shooting from the arc? Anyone outside the lane?

I'll agree that the threshold for advantage moves a little on a jump shooter from a greater distance, but contact on someone who is shooting is still subject to the incidental contact rule.

If you want to work for a D1 (or even a D2 or D3) supervisor, it is something you need to know, whether it is in the book or not.

But marginal contact doesn't have anything to do with this particular situation.

They get one "I see what your trying to do", and then anything subsequent gets a whistle. I am not going with an IF though, no more than I would if they were jabbing at the shooter's elbow, arm, or wrist.

100% of the time, no. But, the threshold moves more than just a little bit for jump shooters, it moves a lot for me.