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JMUplayer Thu Aug 21, 2014 01:21pm

New FAT STRIPE shirts they are making us use in VA
 
Anyone know where the best price is?

Raymond Thu Aug 21, 2014 01:49pm

I bought one from the VHSL's personal business partner when they first came out and my HS board is supposed to buying one for all officials this season. Far as I know, the price was around $40-45.

I never researched the online price from Honig's.

grunewar Thu Aug 21, 2014 06:24pm

I recently got one from "Terry's Official Call" in WV (our supplier). If you can't find their info PM me. $39.00 plus S/H = $47.95 (tax deductible of course) ;)

Last yr if we ordered ours at our pre-season clinic from Terry's, we didn't have to pay for S/H.

Of course, last yr was the first yr for the shirts. This yr they may have sufficient numbers in stock at the clinic and we may be able to pick them up there without having to order them and having them shipped.

HokiePaul Fri Aug 22, 2014 07:11am

I purchased mine from Rivanna Gear last year. They were listed at $49.95 each + S&H, but I believe that Rivanna had a deal with Cliff Keen and VHSL(and had a discount code) that knocked $10 off the price/shirt. So basically $40 + S/H per shirt.

Raymond Fri Aug 22, 2014 09:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 939262)
I purchased mine from Rivanna Gear last year. They were listed at $49.95 each + S&H, but I believe that Rivanna had a deal with Cliff Keen and VHSL(and had a discount code) that knocked $10 off the price/shirt. So basically $40 + S/H per shirt.

That's what I did.

Still don't like the arrangement. Somebody affiliated with the VHSL got some kind of financial benefit from the deal, it would take a lot to convince me otherwise.

CountTheBasket Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 939245)
I recently got one from "Terry's Official Call" in WV (our supplier). If you can't find their info PM me. $39.00 plus S/H = $47.95 (tax deductible of course) ;)

Last yr if we ordered ours at our pre-season clinic from Terry's, we didn't have to pay for S/H.

Of course, last yr was the first yr for the shirts. This yr they may have sufficient numbers in stock at the clinic and we may be able to pick them up there without having to order them and having them shipped.

Same price from Purchase Officials...delivered quickly, no complaints. Don't think you're gonna find it any cheaper than that...just a cost of doing business

DRJ1960 Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:34pm

Sporting Goods store behind Regency Sq off of Parham (Dixie Sports, I think)... about $40 last yr.

Lcubed48 Sat Aug 23, 2014 07:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRJ1960 (Post 939275)
Sporting Goods store behind Regency Sq off of Parham (Dixie Sports, I think)... about $40 last yr.

I bought one there in June. The price is still the same. I still think they're ugly looking.

JMUplayer Mon Aug 25, 2014 07:16am

Our association as a whole contacted a supplier and got them for $35 each... i'm sure we are ordering a couple hundred though....

Was curious what price was around the state....

Rich Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:09am

Does nobody care about the quality of the shirt and only the price? I'm just amazed that the only thing being mentioned here is price.

Maybe there are some polyester models out there for $20 - you should keep looking. :D

justacoach Mon Aug 25, 2014 01:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 939318)
Does nobody care about the quality of the shirt and only the price? I'm just amazed that the only thing being mentioned here is price.

Maybe there are some polyester models out there for $20 - you should keep looking. :D

Can you spell m-o-n-o-p-o-l-y?
This is a Virginia specific situation. Acceptable shirts, per VHSL, must have the new, improved VHSL logo sublimated onto the fabric. Only VHSL can supply this trademarked design.

JMUplayer Mon Aug 25, 2014 03:26pm

Everyones agrees it's a total money grab...... but what you can you do?

I haven't heard one argument from the VHSL on why they made the change....

HokiePaul Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 939347)
Can you spell m-o-n-o-p-o-l-y?
This is a Virginia specific situation. Acceptable shirts, per VHSL, must have the new, improved VHSL logo sublimated onto the fabric. Only VHSL can supply this trademarked design.

My understanding is that the sublimated logo is optional. You can buy your own wide-stripe shirt anywhere and then velcro/sew a traditional patch on it.

Of course that makes very little sense to me. But technically, you do have options if you really don't like the VHSL-partnership.

Rich Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:04am

Living in a no-logo (no patch, no nothing except an optional flag) on the shirt state is a great thing, trust me.

zm1283 Tue Aug 26, 2014 02:03pm

Missouri sends us a new patch every year for each sport we register in. They do require that they be worn but we don't have to buy a special shirt for it.

Kansas Ref Tue Aug 26, 2014 02:13pm

I tried but have not been able to view the so-called "fat stripe" shirt.
Is it more fashionable?
than the current striped shirts ?

Raymond Tue Aug 26, 2014 02:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 939400)
I tried but have not been able to view the so-called "fat stripe" shirt.
Is it more fashionable?
than the current striped shirts ?

I only wore it once last year as it was optional, this year it is mandatory.

The change wasn't made for fashion's sake, it was made specifically to put $$$ in somebody's (some bodies') pockets.

Welpe Tue Aug 26, 2014 02:38pm

Here's the shirt:

http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/CK-Ba...t-Mock-Up.jpeg

tomegun Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:36am

We also wear them in Southern Nevada - last season was the first season and they are optional. I was in the meeting when we decided to go with a state logo. I'm still not sure why we switched to the shirts in the first place.

Nevadaref Wed Aug 27, 2014 06:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 939431)
We also wear them in Southern Nevada - last season was the first season and they are optional. I was in the meeting when we decided to go with a state logo. I'm still not sure why we switched to the shirts in the first place.

They are not used in Northern Nevada and I was in the meeting this summer when the Executive Director of the State Office inquired of the Southern representative who authorized the use of the governing body's logo? Didn't get permission beforehand for a 3rd party company to print that logo on shirts--oops!

The President of the football chapter who works D1 college games stated that the reason behind the 2-inch wide design is that the shirts look better on HD TV. The 1-inch stripes have a problem of looking zig-zagged on TV. The 2-inch stripes don't do that. I still don't understand why how the shirts of the officials look on TV is important to anyone in officiating. I can see why the marketing execs of the NFL or big $ NCAA conferences care as it is part of the appearance of their product and marketing it to a TV audience makes them lots of $. HS is not that way at this time.
Personally, I feel that if an organization cares about the TV look, then it should bear the cost of the shirts and provide them. When most HS games are on TV and someone else pays for my shirt, then I'll wear it. Until then, I'll stick with the summer specials from Officials Choice. Good quality shirts at $12 to $15. I see no reason to pay $40 to $50 when what I already have works just fine.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 939404)



Purchase Officials Supplies sells the VHSL shirts for $39.99 and they are ugly. What were the state association officials thinking when they picked this shirt.

If it was going to change to anything else than the standard black/white strips go with the gray w/black pin stripes. They (gray with black pin stripes) make my look svelte, :D, and Mark, Jr., and Andy (my smart son because he does not officiate) keep telling me that I can keep on thinking that.

MTD, Sr.

Raymond Wed Aug 27, 2014 01:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 939469)
Purchase Officials Supplies sells the VHSL shirts for $39.99 and they are ugly. What were the state association officials thinking when they picked this shirt.....

What's is a good way for "ljsdflkdfj" to make some money over the next 2 years?

BillyMac Wed Aug 27, 2014 04:51pm

When The Moon Hits Your Eye Like A Big Pizza Pie ...
 
... that's a moiré.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 939438)
I still don't understand why how the shirts of the officials look on TV is important to anyone in officiating.

Those that produce television shows, be it a scripted show, news, sports, weather, or live events, like sports, don't want viewers getting dizzy, and distracted. I'm sure that many of us have seen a newscaster, or talk show host, wearing a tie with a pattern that is changed by the camera lens into a distracting moiré pattern.

Proper Clothing Pattern for the TV

Details and intricate patterns prove to be little trouble for our eyes. For the camera, however, pinstripes, checks, herringbones, and textured fabrics will cause havoc for the camera. The result is what looks like the pattern is “swimming”.

This is because the details of a herringbone suit, for example, will interfere with the camera’s sensor and will produce a moiré pattern which after awhile is distracting and dizzying for the viewer.

BillyMac Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:16am

More On Moirés ...
 
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Multiplication by Infinity: Moire Patterns, and a Cool Video Example Thanks to Pat Ballew

Moiré patterns are commonly seen on television screens directly when a person is wearing a shirt or jacket of a particular weave or pattern, such as a houndstooth jacket, due to sampling problems in the television camera. As the person moves about, the Moiré pattern is quite noticeable. Because of this, newscasters and other professionals who appear on TV regularly are instructed to avoid clothing which could cause the effect, more commonly known as 'strobing'.

JMUplayer Wed Sep 03, 2014 08:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 939478)
What's is a good way for "ljsdflkdfj" to make some money over the next 2 years?

Mark my words...... now that they have their hands in our pockets watch what comes next....

Shoes..... perhaps pants.......

grunewar Wed Sep 03, 2014 06:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMUplayer (Post 939675)
Mark my words...... now that they have their hands in our pockets watch what comes next....

Shoes..... perhaps pants.......

Hope it's not jackets.......we got new ones last yr! ;)

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Sep 03, 2014 09:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMUplayer (Post 939675)
Mark my words...... now that they have their hands in our pockets watch what comes next....

Shoes..... perhaps pants.......


You can Mark my words but all I care about is getting my share of the vig. :p

MTD, Sr.

IREFU2 Thu Sep 04, 2014 05:51pm

I hate them....good think I am scaling back on the HS level.

JMUplayer Fri Sep 05, 2014 07:29am

When one state does it.... makes a good bit of money...
Don't think for one second it won't hit another state quickly

AremRed Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMUplayer (Post 939765)
When one state does it.... makes a good bit of money...
Don't think for one second it won't hit another state quickly

So that's what administrators do at those NFHS meetings.

Oh my state made X amount of money forcing our officials to buy new gear from their already low pay rates!

Oh that sounds lovely, I'll have to do that with my officials.

Rich Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:54am

The one bright side, in my mind, is that I wouldn't have to see guys wearing 15 year old polyester shirts.

Welpe Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 939775)
The one bright side, in my mind, is that I wouldn't have to see guys wearing 15 year old polyester shirts.

An upside that is understated in a lot of these situations.

BillyMac Fri Sep 05, 2014 03:50pm

Show Me The Money, Wait, Never Mind ...
 
My local board decided to get new jackets with our local logo instead of the IAABO International logo a few years ago. We use a local distributer (the reason for the change, trademark infringement problems). We were given a grace period of a few years, at which time we had to have the new jacket. As guys started buying new jackets (as selected by our executive committee), they started hating them. It wrinkled no matter how carefully one folded it. It had a "shiny" polyester type outer shell (it reminded me of the roller disco era). The pockets weren't deep enough to hold anything (my extra inflation needle kept falling out).

Our executive committee decided to scrap the new jacket and came up with a better new jacket. They also decided that any of us that purchased the old new jacket would be reimbursed for it, and the old new jackets that were turned in would be donated to a charity clothing drive.

Sometimes it not just about the money.

grunewar Fri Sep 05, 2014 06:11pm

What do you do with your old jackets?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 939790)
......and the old new jackets that were turned in would be donated to a charity clothing drive.

I've had an old jacket for many yrs that I simply haven't turned in to charity, like I do with other "slightly used clothes," as I just think it would be too weird to walk down the street and see someone wearing a referee jacket? What do you guys/gals do with them?

Camron Rust Fri Sep 05, 2014 08:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 939790)
They also decided that any of us that purchased the old new jacket would be reimbursed for it.

From what source? Your dues? I doubt the sell of the jackets gave everyone a refund.

BillyMac Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:02pm

Not A Perfect Solution ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 939803)
From what source? Your dues?

It's not a full reimbursement, just a partial reimbursement. And, yes, it's from our dues. I guess our executive committee decided to spread the "hurt" around for a mistake made a few years ago. Also, the seller, a board member, didn't want to sell us this particular jacket (it wasn't his first choice), but, unfortunately, the executive committee didn't heed is advice.

HokiePaul Mon Sep 08, 2014 07:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 939799)
I've had an old jacket for many yrs that I simply haven't turned in to charity, like I do with other "slightly used clothes," as I just think it would be too weird to walk down the street and see someone wearing a referee jacket? What do you guys/gals do with them?

I give mine away to charity with any other slightly used clothes I'm getting rid of. I mainly do this for the tax deductions, but if someone in need gets the jacket then that's an added bonus.

bob jenkins Mon Sep 08, 2014 08:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 939894)
I mainly do this for the tax deductions.

I am not a tax lawyer, but I think that if you claimed it as an expense when you bought it, you can't also claim a deduction when you donate it.

HokiePaul Mon Sep 08, 2014 08:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 939897)
I am not a tax lawyer, but I think that if you claimed it as an expense when you bought it, you can't also claim a deduction when you donate it.

Interesting ... never thought of that. I tend to just lump officials gear in with other misc. clothes when I drop them off at the donation center. I'll have to look into this if I have to track separately.


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