Stuff coaches say
 

Didn't really fit in the meme thread but this happened Sunday.

Team B has a player injured on offense. Team A grabs the rebound and starts to fast break the other way. I run down as Lead tableside. Team A stops their break and pulls the ball outside the 3 point line. I blow play dead.

Coach A: "You can't do that!"

Me: "I can and I just did."

Coach A: "You're wrong."

Me: "Coach, player safety is m-"

Coach A: "YOU'RE WRONG" as he walks away.

Obviously I don't know what tone you used but "I can and I just did" sounds too confrontational.

How about: "Coach, when your team stops trying to score I'm supposed to blow the play dead." It's a few more words but in one sentence you let him know why the whistle blew and - indirectly - that there's a rule-related reason for it. If he complains after that it's on him.

Seven Words
 

"I'd do the same for your team, coach."

Summer ball, I may have said the same thing; and quietly regretted it.

I also might have ignored it in summer ball.

High school ball, the coaches around here don't bitch about this kind of stuff.

"Per the rule book, I can."

6 words :D

Summer?

I'd probably just smile and walk away.

I'll get a chance Sunday. I'm working games 3-6 of my summer. Disney money.

Good on the spot decision to "kill the play".
No one is out there being paid to be at the gym but you. It is your responsibility to monitor such activity. In this day and age when everything is videotaped [and your game may have been being recorded on a cell phone as mine usually are by fans instands], then as an Independent Contractor (read as: hoops ref) they [the injured kid's parents] could hold you liable if that injured kid started convulsing and you just let a game continue on without giving a chance for medical or helpful assistance.

Yeah it was confrontational, but I'd do it again. The coach didn't even hear me in the state he was in, he was focused on this injustice I had done him.

It probably didn't help that when I blew the play dead the injured player had stood up and the coach's team had started to run a pick and roll to exploit the man down. It was three person and I should have let my C or T take care of it cuz they were closer to the injury.

Thankfully the coach didn't say anything else to me the rest of the game.

That's a key detail.

Standing up doesn't mean he's not injured.

MTD, Jr., and I are officiating (two-man crew) a boys' H.S. summer camp in June with multiple sites being utilized. We are officiating a varsity level game between a team from NE Ohio (Visiting Team) and the team (Home Team) whose site where this particular game is being played.

I am T on the Table Side when a scramble for a loose ball develops in front of me. V-1 dives for the ball but dives late because when his forehead smacks the hardwood floor H-1 is twenty feet into his team's frontcourt with an uncontested layup in front of him. V-1's immediate reaction to hitting the floor with his head was to grab his head and curl into a ball. I blew the ball dead immediately.

H-HC complains that I can't stop the game when his player has an uncontested layup in front of him. I told him yes I can because the player had a head injury. His response: "No you can't." :eek: Did I tell you all that this was just a summer team camp with nothing at stake. Sometimes coaches brains are located in the South end of a North bound donkey.

MTD, Sr.

Uhmmm, did you read his OP?

He said they had pulled the ball back out behind the 3 point line before he blew it dead...and he said the player went down before the breaking team rebounded the ball.

It amazes me when seemingly trained officials act like we can't see what's happening elsewhere because it's not in our "primary."

Sometimes, the only person that can see the injured player is the person looking in that direction, even if it's just in the periphery.

I have no problem with what the OP did. It met the spirit and letter of the rule.

And maybe the T/C didn't see it. Maybe they did. So what?

I try to be aware of everything happening on my court. As I run to new Lead I am always looking over my shoulder at competitive matchups and spotted the downed player. I'm not sure Trail or C saw it but frankly I didn't care. I'm trying to referee with an R mentality and I took charge once I saw the fast break stop. If I were working with more trusted partners then I would approach things differently.

Let's Go To The Videotape ...
 

5-8-2-A: Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official ... Stops play ... Because of an injury as in 3-3-6, 7.

NOTE: When a player is injured as in Art. 2(a), the official may suspend play after the ball
is dead or is in control of the injured player’s team or when the opponents complete a
play. A play is completed when a team loses control (including throwing for goal) or
withholds the ball from play by ceasing to attempt to score or advance the ball to a
scoring position. When necessary to protect an injured player, the official may immediately suspend play.

Let's consider a non-safety-related injury here (not a head-banger, not life threatening, just a man down). You hold the whistle while the opposition has control.

Option A: Blow the whistle on the try for goal. If it goes in, it's an easy restart. If it doesn't, you have to deal with the dreaded arrow.

Option B: Hold your whistle until after the rebound.

Any preference? Or, is there an Option C?

My first response would have been, "That's the rule, coach."
If he had responded, "You're wrong." Then I would have gone with...
Me: Whack.

Btw, if I were the Trail in the backcourt with the injured player and you whistled after I deemed that he was up and ok, I would be annoyed with you. What do you think that your partner is doing back there? That isn't officiating with an R mentality, it is working with a me mentality. An R provides leadership. Sometimes that means letting his partners handle their business, not stepping on their toes and making it look as if they aren't capable or don't care about the possibly hurt kid.

My preference is option A as that follows the rule. Option B is done by several people, but has no rule basis. Option C is to keep permitting the offense to rebound and shoot until either they score or the defense secures a rebound. That isn't correct by rule either, but I've also seen people do it.

It is summer, I might say just about anything to a coach. He would just have to get over it at that point. But that is me. ;)

Peace

I prefer option A. It's the earliest option to stop (assuming an immediate stoppage is not necessary), which is what I'm going for.

I'm with Nevada. You're working with an "I don't care what my partners do" mentality.

Remember this is summer ball. I'm working with partners that barely study the rulebook, have piss-poor mechanics, and don't manage coaches or players properly. From my position at new Lead I have a perfect view of the player down in the backcourt (Trail didn't stay with him) and a perfect view of the play unfolding before me. Trail didn't blow the play dead when the team pulled the ball out, so I did. Like I said, if I were working with partners who I knew took care of their responsibilities -- Rich or Nevadaref for example :P -- I wouldn't bother taking care of that. It's not my responsibility normally. During the summer it is.

What we have here is failure to communicate!
 

"Coach, I have several million dollars worth of liability insurance. I just don't wish to use it today":eek:!

We have all had bad partners. Get over it. That should not be an excuse for what you do or do not do in this or most situations.

That being said I agree, in summer ball I really could give a damn about what a coach thinks in that situation. At least hear summer ball is a different environment and even if I eject a coach, it is not like they have the same penalties, so honestly I do not care what they say or feel about the job I do. And in many cases the game I was assigned was not from the actual assignor that would give me games that that school was involved with either.

That being said, if I read this correctly, you probably should have called the play dead earlier or let it go. I can see the point of view from the coach, but I would not worry about their point of view. It is what it is and this is the place to make mistakes that have little consequence in the bigger picture.

Peace