Transitioning 3-man to 2-man crew.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I doubt seriously that he is talking about anything we are discussing here. Summer ball and regular season ball in most places are not even in the same ball park of expectations. Even the players and coaches know it is different.

For some reason the coaches and players here expect officials to take more shit during the summer than during the high school season. For me it's the opposite.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

For some reason the coaches and players here expect officials to take more shit during the summer than during the high school season. For me it's the opposite.

When I said they treated it differnet, I did not mean that they complain less. Sometimes coaches complain from places not near the bench. Coaches in certain sitautions do not sit by their team's bench and often are in the stands and complaining as if they were on the bench. I know I do not treat them the same when they are not near the bench and often talk back more. But the point I was making is that during that a lot of things are not as regimented. Heck in many cases we are not keeping foul counts, so I do not see anyone caring if we do not get to the reporting area or switch on fouls or dead ball situations.

Peace

[Kansas Ref]

On last night's game, my partner had been reffing since 2 pm, I arrived to gym at 6 pm (after I got off from work) and did 3 games with him until 9 pm. These were 8th graders from a club team. As that was his 5 th consecutive game, I told him that "hey we don't have to long switch on endline to backcourt area because I'm sure your legs/feet are tired". He appreciated that and siad that "thanks, I was hoping not having to walk as much." I could tell he was quite fatigued because he'd walk up the floor (with a gait indicating ailing feet, hips, legs or back) and also fail to reach the endline when he became the new lead and was following the fast break / outlet pass action. But all in all, I'm sure he reasoned that it best to have a big game check regardless of how ineffective the ref work labor rendered him.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

On last night's game, my partner had been reffing since 2 pm, I arrived to gym at 6 pm (after I got off from work) and did 3 games with him until 9 pm. These were 8th graders from a club team. As that was his 5 th consecutive game, I told him that "hey we don't have to long switch on endline to backcourt area because I'm sure your legs/feet are tired". He appreciated that and siad that "thanks, I was hoping not having to walk as much." I could tell he was quite fatigued because he'd walk up the floor (with a gait indicating ailing feet, hips, legs or back) and also fail to reach the endline when he became the new lead and was following the fast break / outlet pass action. But all in all, I'm sure he reasoned that it best to have a big game check regardless of how ineffective the ref work labor rendered him.

Or he was filling in for someone who couldn't show. Or he was doing the assigner a favor by working that many games. I'd be slow to assign any motives unless you've got more information that you shared here.

[Kansas Ref]

Assignor put him on 8 games that day (is what he told me)--evidently that ref agreed to work those consecutive games and was therefore obligated to be there. But I'm sure he's enjoying his $200 payout from that day.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

Assignor put him on 8 games that day (is what he told me)--evidently that ref agreed to work those consecutive games and was therefore obligated to be there. But I'm sure he's enjoying his $200 payout from that day.

And if all the refs would get together and refuse to work more than four games in a day, the organizers and teams would be forced to offer more money in order to attract enough officials to cover the games. Everyone realizes that the organizers are making money with each game that is played, right?
Perhaps he could work four games at $50 each and make the same $200 in half the time. It continually amazes me that officials sell themselves short. The guy doing eight games in a day is not helping, he is hurting his fellow officials. He needs a wake up call. He is opting to take a short term gain, but the sacrifice is a long term loss.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

And if all the refs would get together and refuse to work more than four games in a day, the organizers and teams would be forced to offer more money in order to attract enough officials to cover the games. Everyone realizes that the organizers are making money with each game that is played, right?
Perhaps he could work four games at $50 each and make the same $200 in half the time. It continually amazes me that officials sell themselves short. The guy doing right games in a day is not helping, he is hurting his fellow officials. He needs a wake up call. He is opting to take a short term gain, but the sacrifice is a long term loss.

Officials are not going to get together on something like this no matter how you or I feel about this practice. Officiating these games are money grabs for the officials and officials are not going to do them for reasons beyond the money if the money is right. Remember, if someone agrees the terms of the contract, they are willing to do the work. Not many places you are going to make that kind of money in one day guaranteed on a hourly basis. These are not "real" games and not with often the same intensity or even responsibility you would have to take during a real game (uniform, time, rules, pre-game procedures). I have seen people from all walks of life and professions take these games in a similar fashion. Or they hop from one site to another and do the same thing.

I know a lot of people that use officiating these games as a way to pay for things like kids schooling or money for a vacation, if they want to take the time, more power to them. Someone working these games are not hurting me, because I might not take these games in the first place. And if I do, no one is holding a gun to me to make me either way.

Peace