I was instructed to especially get the two hands when the offense has beaten the defense, while outside the lane area. Our state association also wants the NFHS to define the lane area. I believe it is 3 feet either side of the lane lines, at least that is what we were told.

Exactly, that's my fear. We'll see how it goes once the season starts. If anything these rule changes do give us the ammunition -- we just need to step up and take care of business.

Even if this is added, (Is this a done deal in the new book or just somebody's assessment of what it will/should say?) doesn't the main definition of a foul still take precedence?

A1 turns the corner and is on his was to a breakaway layup as B1 makes contact with his hand on A1's hip for an extended period of time.

Is everybody gonna call this "automatic" foul? I doubt it.

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How about the definition of incidental contact, and the basic principles of advantage, and disadvantage? Is the baby thrown away with the bathwater?

The words are substantially the same as what is in the NCAAW book -- and it means call it without regard to RSBQ or an assessment of ad/disad.

Those types of contact are deemed / defined to cause an advantage and are to be called.

For some, this will be the sticking point.

I was a clinician at a college officiating camp being held in conjunction with a HS team camp. One coach (up by 20 points) was complaining about all the "touch" fouls. I tried tell him that the new rules specifically spell out that these are fouls, but that explanation didn't mean much to him.

I'm quite sure he'll be earning a couple T's early in season before he finally gets it.

I had a coach this weekend who tried to complain to me about one of the officials. I told him he would've gotten a technical from me, so he should be happy he was dealing with that official.

He didn't like that.

This rule + camps with HS coaches = Complaining. It's going to happen, more so with BV coaches. GV coaches, presumably, watch/pay attention to NCAAW basketball so they're very aware of how strictly the guidelines were enforced. The best answer I hear from clinicians is, "Coach, this is what's going to happen in the regular season. Consider yourself lucky. You get a chance to work out any issues now."

I dealt with it on the GV level in NYC this past season due to the code differences between boys & girls. How those games went depended on my partner. If they also worked NCAAW it was easy. We pretty much used it as practice. If the other person didn't work NCAAW they needed a little prodding. As long as I kept up with it they were pretty much forced to follow along.

I only had one issue with a coach and that was in a Christmas tourney where the visitors were from NJ. That coach kept complaining about "touch fouls" and his "kids would all foul out." Ironically, the home team had three players foul out. His team only lost one.

So I posted this yesterday before I had a set of 3 games in one of the tournaments around here. 2nd game of the 3 set...well lets just say we took these new rules out for a spin and put them through the ringers. Much more so than in the previous 15-20 summer league games I had worked.

Both teams were all over the place with the hands. Hand checks up top, two hands on, arm bars etc..double bonus both halves, but we were consistent and didn't get much complaints about the calls on the new rules.

That being said what I did hear was some complaints about some of the contact in the post on the shot. Ie dribbler goes up for a shot and gets a little bump, which didn't affect RSBQ and we don't call a foul. Coaches 'logic' being if we are calling the 'touch' stuff up top and in the post that should be called to. Of course the coach didn't understand the fouls we were passing on were more advantage/disadvantage/RSBQ type of fouls that we still use judgment on, but I didn't want to engage him in that conversation.

Later in the game the team that had more fouls due to the new rules literally was just throwing arms back on anything close. They got the message after getting into foul trouble.

Every official I've worked with the last 2 weekends like the changes and all agreed it makes it much easier to call and less open to interpretation like it has been in the past.

Here's what it is in NCAA:


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Of course, the NFHS seems to have done this without defining the lane area in the rule book (yet) but I'd imagine it would be something similar to this.

As we enforced it last season in NCAAW, yeah, pretty much...at least when you're dealing with the BH/dribbler. I've already had a couple of plays in camps this summer where a defender kept their hand on a BH/dribbler who had turned the corner on the way to the basket. I held, made the call and gave the BH/dribbler FTs. My clinician - in this case one of my supervisors - told me I should have made the call earlier. The exact question was, "When did the illegal contact take place?" Since it was before the shooting motion I was told the play should have been ruled a common foul.

Anyone who is already working NCAA-M also should already be used to the new HS rules.

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Several camps and a bunch of clinics thus far yield the observation that most officials "got the memo" and all clinicians prompted compliance. Those players who "chested up" and played good defense on the perimeter slightly outnumbered those teams of "handsy" players who got foul after foul after foul. With no tally of individual personal fouls as a curb, they just kept at it until the early bonus situations wasted their valuable game-like scrimmage time with one-and-ones.
Will likely be better once the season starts and they're sitting on the bench early.

I found it interesting that the NCAAW side defines post player differently than ball handler. I might have the terms messed up, but the essence is this, if a post player, with the ball, has their back to the basket, they are not considered a "ball handler" until they face the basket.

Meanwhile, on the NCAAM side, we consider anyone with the ball a ball handler, so if a post player has the ball, then hands off by the defense, or you're getting a foul.

I'll be interested to see how the new high school interpretation deals with this.