Sign of things to come

Freddy

Camp last weekend first experience with "enter on release" since back in the late '70's or so.
Need for tactful preventative officiating reminders not to enter early was same as with old rule. "Enter when legal" was again the phrase that curbed early entry the best.
Just as many early entry violations called as according to the old rule.
No uptick in rough play that I could detect, and I was lookin'.
Entry by players beyond the arc prior to the attempt hitting the rim occurred, not so much to gain an advantage, but because of players' unfamiliarity with the difference in the rule between lane line players and shooter/others.
All in all, didn't make much a difference in any significant way. I did notice lazy and slow lane line players put themselves at more of a disadvantage due to their laziness and slowness, not because of any illegalities on the part of opponents.

Adam

Freddy wrote
Camp last weekend first experience with "enter on release" since back in the late '70's or so.

You didn't ref in the 80s or early 90s?

Freddy

Adam wrote
You didn't ref in the 80s or early 90s?

Gap for coaching between '84 and mid-90's.
When was it "on the release"? I don't recall exactly.

Adam

Freddy wrote
Gap for coaching between '84 and mid-90's.
When was it "on the release"? I don't recall exactly.

I played high school ball in the late 80s early 90s, started working some ms ball when I was in college. Took some time off, and when I came back in the late 90s it had changed.

HokiePaul

Freddy wrote
Gap for coaching between '84 and mid-90's.
When was it "on the release"? I don't recall exactly.

It mush have been right around 2000 that there was a change. I'm fairly certain that I remember playing on the release for most, if not all of my HS years (1998-2001). But by college (playing intermurals/rec leagues), it was all "on contact".

BillyMac

I believe that in my thirty-three years of officiating I've gone from hit, to release, back to hit, and now back to release. Don't ask me the dates, it's all a blurr.

Stat-Man

OKREF wrote
First summer tournament. Rule change allowing players along free throw lane to enter on release.

At camp on Monday, our state's rules interpreter told us that all players can enter the lane on the release – including the shooter and players behind the arc. 😮 He repeated this when someone else asked if that was the new rule.

JetMetFan

Stat-Man wrote
At camp on Monday, our state's rules interpreter told us that all players can enter the lane on the release – including the shooter and players behind the arc. 😮 He repeated this when someone else asked if that was the new rule.

Gently suggest to him he might want to pay attention to the words "marked lane spaces" on the NFHS release before he answers that question publicly again.

Oy...

Freddy

Stat-Man wrote
At camp on Monday, our state's rules interpreter told us that all players can enter the lane on the release – including the shooter and players behind the arc. 😮 He repeated this when someone else asked if that was the new rule.

PM me with the name of that "state rules interpreter."
I'll likely encounter him at an upcoming camp or two and want to be ready for it.

BillyMac

Freddy wrote
I'll likely encounter him at an upcoming camp or two and want to be ready for it.

It's probably just a brain fart. The smell will eventually dissipate.

Raymond

BillyMac wrote
It's probably just a brain fart. The smell will eventually dissipate.

That kind of brain fart is not acceptable from a state interpreter speaking at a camp full of officials.

If it were truly just a brain fart, he would have corrected himself by the end of the day/camp.

bob jenkins

Stat-Man wrote
At camp on Monday, our state's rules interpreter

What state?

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bob jenkins wrote
What state?

Judging by Freddy's response, Michigan.

Freddy

AremRed wrote
Judging by Freddy's response, Michigan.

If that state is correct, I don't think they have any "state rules interpreters"
Would be interested in the authority of the one who was wrong

Stat-Man

Freddy: I'll PM you.

Perhaps Rules Interpreter wasn't the best term to use, but I believe he is the head of basketball in the MHSAA. He does the voice over for the annual online rules meeting.

BillyMac

BadNewsRef wrote
That kind of brain fart is not acceptable from a state interpreter speaking at a camp full of officials.

In reviewing free throw mechanics with one of our cadet classes, the chair of the training committee stated that players in the marked lane spaces could not put any part of their body over the plane of the lane line, or the plane of the lane space lines. Unacceptable? Yes. Do mistakes like this happen? Yes. The other members of the committee either didn't note the mistake, or didn't want to embarrass him in front of the cadets. We let him know about it at the end of class, and he corrected himself at the next class. Teaching is tough. I know. I did it for over thirty years, as a day job. Maybe that's why I'm more tolerant than most.

Freddy

Stat-Man wrote
Freddy: I'll PM you.

Perhaps Rules Interpreter wasn't the best term to use, but I believe he is the head of basketball in the MHSAA. He does the voice over for the annual online rules meeting.

Ah yes 🙁

Raymond

BillyMac wrote
In reviewing free throw mechanics with one of our cadet classes, the chair of the training committee stated that players in the marked lane spaces could not put any part of their body over the plane of the lane line, or the plane of the lane space lines. Unacceptable? Yes. Do mistakes like this happen? Yes. The other members of the committee either didn't note the mistake, or didn't want to embarrass him in front of the cadets. We let him know about it at the end of class, and he corrected himself at the next class. Teaching is tough. I know. I did it for over thirty years, as a day job. Maybe that's why I'm more tolerant than most.

Did you note the rest of my post?

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