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Ok Camron, whatever you think. I have never seen a kid at the HS or college level afraid to go after a rebound because of previous physical play. Kids that would be afraid of potential rough play during rebounding situations are weeded out of the game long before they get to that level.
I don't disagree with you that there are times a whistle is needed to clean up certain things or prevent things from escalating, but the idea that there are going to be players too scared to go after a rebound because of previous or potential rough play is just ridiculous. |
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I could certainly see a player thinking "I went to get a rebound last time and got popped in the chin and they didn't call it" and not going after the next one. Regardless, rough play should be cleaned up no matter what justification you use. |
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We see teams all the time with all the god given athleticism in the world but who for whatever reason don't play very fundamentally and very often play teams athletic enough to use fundamental skills to compete with them. Suddenly they get into a game where on every play every player is getting boxed out, every cut/ post is being denied, every player is being closed out and the opponent is willing to put themselves in position to force block charge calls instead of opening up and letting them go. They don't like it. Its more contact then they are used to and they are frustrated by it. That doesn't mean the game is too rough. This is not specifically what Cameron is talking about but if we apply the idea of the player not wanting to play through that much contact as a standard suddenly perfectly legal plays in anyother game become fouls because the other team doesn't like it or want to be touched. The official has to be the determinant of adv/disadv and of what is or is not rough play. Not the willingness of coaches, players or fans. The flip side is true also just because two kids or teams are willing to go at each other doesn't mean we have to let them be out of control just because they both want to play that way and for the most part can handle it.
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Just a thought. And, I reserve the right to be wrong.
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Report from a Camp . . . New Rule
Camp last weekend first experience with "enter on release" since back in the late '70's or so.
Need for tactful preventative officiating reminders not to enter early was same as with old rule. "Enter when legal" was again the phrase that curbed early entry the best. Just as many early entry violations called as according to the old rule. No uptick in rough play that I could detect, and I was lookin'. Entry by players beyond the arc prior to the attempt hitting the rim occurred, not so much to gain an advantage, but because of players' unfamiliarity with the difference in the rule between lane line players and shooter/others. All in all, didn't make much a difference in any significant way. I did notice lazy and slow lane line players put themselves at more of a disadvantage due to their laziness and slowness, not because of any illegalities on the part of opponents.
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Gap for coaching between '84 and mid-90's.
When was it "on the release"? I don't recall exactly.
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It mush have been right around 2000 that there was a change. I'm fairly certain that I remember playing on the release for most, if not all of my HS years (1998-2001). But by college (playing intermurals/rec leagues), it was all "on contact".
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Which Rules Are We Using ???
I believe that in my thirty-three years of officiating I've gone from hit, to release, back to hit, and now back to release. Don't ask me the dates, it's all a blurr.
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At camp on Monday, our state's rules interpreter told us that all players can enter the lane on the release – including the shooter and players behind the arc. He repeated this when someone else asked if that was the new rule.
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I'll likely encounter him at an upcoming camp or two and want to be ready for it.
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Happens To The Best, And The Worst, Of Us ...
It's probably just a brain fart. The smell will eventually dissipate.
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If it were truly just a brain fart, he would have corrected himself by the end of the day/camp.
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