Held ball or foul?

Robert Goodman

Freddy wrote
(political correctness prompts too many to avoid the generic singular "he" when it can be used in a non-gender oriented sense...I'm getting tired of typing s/he as a middle ground)

I write that and "hir".

But unless terms have changed, isn't it "tie ball" rather than "held"?

bob jenkins

Robert Goodman wrote
I write that and "hir".

But unless terms have changed, isn't it "tie ball" rather than "held"?

It's been held ball for at least 18 years.

BillyMac

Robert Goodman wrote
Isn't it "tie ball" rather than "held"?

bob jenkins wrote
It's been held ball for at least 18 years.

Better than "jump ball" (I hope that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. doesn't read this).

Robert Goodman

bob jenkins wrote
It's been held ball for at least 18 years.

Did they merge it with the existing "held ball" (player holdiing ball 5 sec. in front court while closely guarded or surrounded by teammates & court boundaries)? Or is the latter called something else now?

In NCAA football there was for a while a ball status called "free ball" that was later eliminated, so I wouldn't be surprised.

bob jenkins

Robert Goodman wrote
Did they merge it with the existing "held ball" (player holdiing ball 5 sec. in front court while closely guarded or surrounded by teammates & court boundaries)? Or is the latter called something else now?

1) No.

2) This has "always" been "closely guarded" and not "held ball"

Robert Goodman

bob jenkins wrote
1) No.

2) This has "always" been "closely guarded" and not "held ball"

I think this is one of those times that "always" depends on how long you've been looking, and possibly at whose codes or whose precis of codes (like Ed Steitz's Illustrated Basketball Rules).

bob jenkins

Robert Goodman wrote
I think this is one of those times that "always" depends on how long you've been looking, and possibly at whose codes or whose precis of codes (like Ed Steitz's Illustrated Basketball Rules).

I've only been officiating basketball for 18 years. I didn't actually go back and check my books, but I don't think it was ever (in that time) called "held ball" for closely guarded.

Robert Goodman

bob jenkins wrote
I've only been officiating basketball for 18 years. I didn't actually go back and check my books, but I don't think it was ever (in that time) called "held ball" for closely guarded.

Oh, I'm sure you're right about that time. Terms must've changed some time between the 1970s & then.

BillyMac

Robert Goodman wrote
Oh, I'm sure you're right about that time. Terms must've changed some time between the 1970s & then.

"Forced out."

Freddy

Is this the kinda play on which some would not call a foul?
Foul Piling On to Get Held Ball - YouTube

bob jenkins

Freddy wrote
Is this the kinda play on which some would not call a foul?
Foul Piling On to Get Held Ball - YouTube

Good example.

Now, if black had come from the other side (the "left" in the video), I would be less likely to have a foul even if he ended up on top because he (likely) would have the ball first.

Pantherdreams

I'ld have a foul there.

Now if he's coming into the ball from the other side or if the player is on their back and ball is up above and the player jumps into/onto the ball and ends up landing on the player. Different story.

Nevadaref

Pantherdreams wrote
I'ld have a foul there.

Now if he's coming into the ball from the other side or if the player is on their back and ball is up above and the player jumps into/onto the ball and ends up landing on the player. Different story.

🙂

Camron Rust

Nevadaref wrote
🙂

Perhaps you should read this:

?He or she? versus ?they? - Oxford Dictionaries (US)

Camron Rust

Pantherdreams wrote
I'ld have a foul there.

Now if he's coming into the ball from the other side or if the player is on their back and ball is up above and the player jumps into/onto the ball and ends up landing on the player. Different story.

Getting the ball first doesn't give a player the right to land on another player. Still a foul.

Raymond

Pantherdreams wrote
I'ld have a foul there.

Now if he's coming into the ball from the other side or if the player is on their back and ball is up above and the player jumps into/onto the ball and ends up landing on the player. Different story.

Yes, then you have a player control foul. 😀

BillyMac

Freddy wrote
Is this the kinda play on which some would not call a foul?

I've got a foul on the Black player, and I believe that the trail has the same call as me.

Freddy

BillyMac wrote
I've got a foul on the Black player, and I believe that the trail has the same call as me.

Of course, only an anal grammar nazi would dare suggest that you should have said, "...as I." 😛
But since there is no need for rules or structure or form or orderliness in language anymore -- because, after all, the English were loose with their verbage at some point back in the 16th century -- it really doesn't matter. 😠

BillyMac

Freddy wrote
... there is no need for rules or structure or form or orderliness in language anymore ...

The English language hasn't changed since it was invented. Why should we be allowed to change it now?

To telle yow al the condicioun, Of ech of hem, so as it semed me, And whiche they weren, and of what degree, And eek in what array that they were inne, And at a knyght than wol I first bigynne.

http://comicskingdom.com/rhymes-with-orange/2014-05-15

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
The English language hasn't changed since it was invented. Why should we be allowed to change it now?

Are you sure about that? The English language is a forever changing thing and always will be. If you know someone that speaks under all the rules and does not use slang, dialect or other social media language it will be a very rare occasion. Oh and the English that spoke the language speak it differently than people in the US. And people in this country never speak it the same way or understand it the same way.

Peace

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