Held ball or foul?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Freddy

(political correctness prompts too many to avoid the generic singular "he" when it can be used in a non-gender oriented sense...I'm getting tired of typing s/he as a middle ground)

I write that and "hir".

But unless terms have changed, isn't it "tie ball" rather than "held"?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I write that and "hir".

But unless terms have changed, isn't it "tie ball" rather than "held"?

It's been held ball for at least 18 years.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Isn't it "tie ball" rather than "held"?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's been held ball for at least 18 years.

Better than "jump ball" (I hope that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. doesn't read this).

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's been held ball for at least 18 years.

Did they merge it with the existing "held ball" (player holdiing ball 5 sec. in front court while closely guarded or surrounded by teammates & court boundaries)? Or is the latter called something else now?

In NCAA football there was for a while a ball status called "free ball" that was later eliminated, so I wouldn't be surprised.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Did they merge it with the existing "held ball" (player holdiing ball 5 sec. in front court while closely guarded or surrounded by teammates & court boundaries)? Or is the latter called something else now?

1) No.

2) This has "always" been "closely guarded" and not "held ball"

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) No.

2) This has "always" been "closely guarded" and not "held ball"

I think this is one of those times that "always" depends on how long you've been looking, and possibly at whose codes or whose precis of codes (like Ed Steitz's Illustrated Basketball Rules).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I think this is one of those times that "always" depends on how long you've been looking, and possibly at whose codes or whose precis of codes (like Ed Steitz's Illustrated Basketball Rules).

I've only been officiating basketball for 18 years. I didn't actually go back and check my books, but I don't think it was ever (in that time) called "held ball" for closely guarded.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I've only been officiating basketball for 18 years. I didn't actually go back and check my books, but I don't think it was ever (in that time) called "held ball" for closely guarded.

Oh, I'm sure you're right about that time. Terms must've changed some time between the 1970s & then.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Oh, I'm sure you're right about that time. Terms must've changed some time between the 1970s & then.

"Forced out."

[Freddy]

Is this the kinda play on which some would not call a foul?
Foul Piling On to Get Held Ball - YouTube

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Is this the kinda play on which some would not call a foul?
Foul Piling On to Get Held Ball - YouTube

Good example.

Now, if black had come from the other side (the "left" in the video), I would be less likely to have a foul even if he ended up on top because he (likely) would have the ball first.

[Pantherdreams]

I'ld have a foul there.

Now if he's coming into the ball from the other side or if the player is on their back and ball is up above and the player jumps into/onto the ball and ends up landing on the player. Different story.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I'ld have a foul there.

Now if he's coming into the ball from the other side or if the player is on their back and ball is up above and the player jumps into/onto the ball and ends up landing on the player. Different story.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Perhaps you should read this:

?He or she? versus ?they? - Oxford Dictionaries (US)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I'ld have a foul there.

Now if he's coming into the ball from the other side or if the player is on their back and ball is up above and the player jumps into/onto the ball and ends up landing on the player. Different story.

Getting the ball first doesn't give a player the right to land on another player. Still a foul.